Oil temperature too high - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
6.0L Problems Forum Having Trouble? Post here

 5Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 36 Old 08-14-2016, 06:25 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Oil temperature too high

I have a 2004 Ford F-250 with the 6.0. 150k miles. Lifted on 35s. It has an external oil cooler with the filter relocation, coolant filter, arp studs, an edge tuner that I always leave on the stock setting. Does NOT have the egr delete kit. When towing my boat in 100 degree Arizona weather which weighs about 4500 lbs at 65mph at 2200 Rpms my oil temperature gets as high as 240 degrees. Any ideas of what's causing it or what I could do to fix it?
Bvalcore is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 36 Old 08-14-2016, 07:23 PM
Premium Member
 
djmaguire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: NWI
Posts: 6,116
Thanks: 172
Thanked 1,038 Times in 934 Posts
Mentioned: 261 Post(s)
Quoted: 1582 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
If you are at 2200RPM at 65mph, you do not have stock 3.73 differential gearing. You must have a 4.30. Your delta is never going to match up with the stock boys, even if you weren't pulling a load in 100 deg heat.

You might try running unloaded on a flat run at 1900RPM to get a more useful measure of your delta. But... even then you might find that your cooler is fine and you still have those high temps when loaded and in heat at highway speeds. In that case, it's air-to-oil time.

Edited to add...
It's air-to-oil time if you can't live with the temp. An EOT of 240F (250F-265F in the pan) is fine for a synthetic. So, really, this is more about what you are comfortable looking at than what the oil can stand.

I am assuming that you have a Ford OEM oil cooler. If you have a Dorman/Sinister/eBay/whatever in there, swap that out and the EOT will come down.

Since you have a relocation, one other option is that you could swap the existing oil cooler out with something higher than 100,000BTU/hour. That suggestion is purely theoretical, though. I have considered it out of pure science. As far as I know, nobody has ever done it.

Good luck.
pphelps likes this.

2004 F550 CC Lariat
BPD oil cooler relocation and upgraded EGR cooler (spooled), BPD oil bypass filtration, aFe Magnum Force CAI, Mishi radiator, 7.3L fan clutch, EC1 ELC, XDP coolant bypass filtration, '08 trans pan/filter, PTP direct clutch solenoid, blue spring, 6.4 starter, MBRP y-pipe, BD boots/clamps, '05 intake elbow, ccv reroute, Torque Pro + OBDLinkô LX, Autometer EGT

Last edited by djmaguire; 08-14-2016 at 07:34 PM.
djmaguire is online now  
post #3 of 36 Old 08-14-2016, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
I'm not 100 percent sure but I think it's a sinister cooler considering everything else is sinister. Considering that I'll look into a replacement. I'm just paranoid considering it's a 6.0. I'm just running a generic 15-40 oil. Not synthetic.
Bvalcore is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 36 Old 08-14-2016, 08:15 PM
Premium Member
 
djmaguire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: NWI
Posts: 6,116
Thanks: 172
Thanked 1,038 Times in 934 Posts
Mentioned: 261 Post(s)
Quoted: 1582 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
I completely get your concern.

The Sinister coolers were made with larger coolant passages to reduce the potential for clogging. The problem is that - because the coolant moves through the cooler more quickly - it does not transfer as much heat from the oil. Based on what I have read, you might grab an instant 20F reduction in EOT just by switching back to the OEM cooler. With that switch, you have the heightened obligation of keeping your cooling system clean. Switching to ELC if you haven't would be even better - especially with the EGR in tact. Ford Gold and high EGR cooler temps are not a good match.

Conventional oil scorches at lower temps. If you plan on putting off an oil cooler swap or otherwise doing a lot more running at those temps, I'd swap to synthetic.

2004 F550 CC Lariat
BPD oil cooler relocation and upgraded EGR cooler (spooled), BPD oil bypass filtration, aFe Magnum Force CAI, Mishi radiator, 7.3L fan clutch, EC1 ELC, XDP coolant bypass filtration, '08 trans pan/filter, PTP direct clutch solenoid, blue spring, 6.4 starter, MBRP y-pipe, BD boots/clamps, '05 intake elbow, ccv reroute, Torque Pro + OBDLinkô LX, Autometer EGT
djmaguire is online now  
post #5 of 36 Old 08-15-2016, 04:54 AM
Premium Member

 
G8orFord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Northwest, FL
Posts: 9,037
Thanks: 304
Thanked 1,047 Times in 976 Posts
Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Quoted: 2512 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Pictures of your oil cooler setup might help. Sinister does not make/offer an external oil cooler with filter relocate that I'm aware of.
pphelps likes this.

Dexter
2017 F-250 Lariat CCSB FX4 SRW- A few Forscan tweaks
My old Truck, now son's truck:
2004 F-250SD Lariat CCSB FX4 SRW; SCT X4 w/custom tunes (currently
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
SPD)

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
FICM;
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
FICM Tuner (currently Atlas40);
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Stage 1.5 Turbo;

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Stage 1 HPOP;
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
VK688 Oil Cooler Relocate with coolant re-route;
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Water Pump;

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
O-ringed Heads; ARP Studs; Fel-Pro Gaskets;
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Coolant Filter;
DashCommand on PLX Kiwi2 + iMFD with EGT & Fuel/Oil Pressure
G8orFord is offline  
post #6 of 36 Old 08-15-2016, 07:49 AM
Premium Member
 
djmaguire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: NWI
Posts: 6,116
Thanks: 172
Thanked 1,038 Times in 934 Posts
Mentioned: 261 Post(s)
Quoted: 1582 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by G8orFord View Post
Pictures of your oil cooler setup might help. Sinister does not make/offer an external oil cooler with filter relocate that I'm aware of.
Good suggestion. I was interpreting what he was saying as him having a Sinister oil cooler mounted in an IPR (or BPD) relocation system. Pics would explain a lot.

2004 F550 CC Lariat
BPD oil cooler relocation and upgraded EGR cooler (spooled), BPD oil bypass filtration, aFe Magnum Force CAI, Mishi radiator, 7.3L fan clutch, EC1 ELC, XDP coolant bypass filtration, '08 trans pan/filter, PTP direct clutch solenoid, blue spring, 6.4 starter, MBRP y-pipe, BD boots/clamps, '05 intake elbow, ccv reroute, Torque Pro + OBDLinkô LX, Autometer EGT
djmaguire is online now  
post #7 of 36 Old 08-15-2016, 09:02 AM
Premium Member


 
portcity_gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: shreveport, la.
Posts: 8,009
Thanks: 4
Thanked 432 Times in 392 Posts
Mentioned: 96 Post(s)
Quoted: 1617 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Hell it might already have an air to oil on it, I've seen a trend of lifted trucks having air flow issues.
In for pics.
djmaguire likes this.

03 cclb dually,6.0,arp studs,bpd oil cooler,bpd 6 phase ficm,bpd water pump,bpd all aluminum cac,all aluminum radiator,amsoil bypass oil filter,ipr high flow coolant filter,egr delete,livewire ts tuned by Vivian & tony,php ficm tuner,dc power 300-spx,Detroit trutrac,6" dual side pipes,07 front end,custom front bumper,shaved badges,led button roof lights,08+ mirrors,12 tailgate,13 rear bumper,13 tail lights,dropped I beams,custom rear 4 link w/bags,k5la train horn,24" alcoa's.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
portcity_gt is offline  
post #8 of 36 Old 08-15-2016, 01:23 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
It's hard to see, it is a bullet proof brand filter relocation. So the cooler is prolly as well. It's all tucked inbetween the intercooler and the ac condensor.
Do you think synthetic oil would reduce enough friction to keep the oil temp down?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image_1471295770939.jpeg
Views:	211
Size:	495.6 KB
ID:	557554   Click image for larger version

Name:	image_1471296052162.png
Views:	253
Size:	3.22 MB
ID:	557570   Click image for larger version

Name:	image_1471296067347.png
Views:	171
Size:	3.22 MB
ID:	557578  
Bvalcore is offline  
post #9 of 36 Old 08-15-2016, 01:41 PM
Premium Member
 
Master_Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,841
Thanks: 2
Thanked 213 Times in 210 Posts
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Quoted: 516 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Yap that's BPD hmm I wonder if maybe something is blocking the cooler(s) because the temp shouldn't be that high.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
E̶a̶r̶l̶y̶ ̶2̶0̶0̶3̶ ̶6̶.̶0̶ ̶E̶x̶c̶u̶r̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶f̶u̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶u̶l̶l̶e̶t̶p̶r̶o̶o̶f̶e̶d̶,̶ ̶1̶5̶5̶/̶3̶0̶ ̶i̶n̶j̶e̶c̶t̶o̶r̶s̶,̶ ̶K̶C̶ ̶S̶t̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶2̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶l̶o̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶t̶u̶f̶f̶.̶ Cummins swap in progress. Thanks to everyone on the forum I have learned a lot.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


The EGR does to your engine what smoking does to your lungs.

Remember you can always improve on a design until the EPA gets involved.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Master_Chase is offline  
post #10 of 36 Old 08-15-2016, 01:49 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
I need to do a coolant flush and try synthetic oil. I'm out of ideas. And it cools right down the second I pull over . I don't get it. Almost like the motor is working too hard.
Bvalcore is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome