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Turbo choice for elevation

Hey all, new here. I love my 7.3 Excursion, but I need a truck, so I picked up a gorgeous 07 F250 FX4 CCSB with about 130k on it. Supposedly has a blown head gasket, and as a result I got it for $4000. Considering there is no way I will own a 6.0 without studding it, I jumped at it.

So I'm gonna pull off the cab and stud it, new oil cooler, coolant filter, and a Sinister EGR cooler (emissions on diesels where I live). Then an exhaust and probably an SCT Livewire.
While I'm at it I might have a little fun with it and throw in some 155/30s and a turbo. I'm not looking to go nuts on power. I want it to stay reliable and not need a built transmission. I tow a couple times a month. Usually between 5000 and 8000 pounds, once in a great while 10,000.
I'm looking at a KC stage 1, stage 1.5, or a BD stage 1. I think any stage 2 will be too much.

Here is why: I live in Colorado Springs and I'm at 6000' elevation and sometimes go up higher. Lag is an accepted part of life here, but I don't need to go making it a whole lot worse on purpose.

So does anyone who lives at fairly high elevation have experience with a setup like what I am planning, and have any insight as to which turbo to go for? I called BD and KC, and it seemed like they obviously know their turbos, but don't really know too much about elevation and how it affects it. I'm looking for at least 400 rwhp on a tow tune, and a little more on a hot tune.
Will the stage 1 get me there? Will the 1.5 be significantly more laggy? KC or BD?

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I went with a KC stage one with the 13 blade wheel to reduce lag as much as possible since I have a manual transmission. It has worked as well or better than expected.

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I think a KC Stage 1 will fit just fine. @peixinho can answer your question better than I can though.

Not turbo related, but FWIW, I would spend the extra money on a BPD EGR cooler 10x over the Sinister EGR cooler. If you're gonna do it, do it right...do it once!

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I went with a KC stage one with the 13 blade wheel to reduce lag as much as possible since I have a manual transmission. It has worked as well or better than expected.
Any idea how much HP/TQ you're making? What's your elevation?

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You are not going to get 400 rwhp from a 6.0 on a tow tune without serious upgrades. Not just a turbo. A performance tune, sure, but not a tow tune. 190/30's and a Stage 1.5 or Stage 2 and a very hot tow tune might get you close, but your towing will suffer with that much tune.

If you want a good tow vehicle that's fun to drive at elevation, get the KC Stage 1 one and drive on. If you want a little more, get the Stage 1.5 and some injectors. IMO, the 1.5 needs a little more injector than stock to really shine. I have one, so I'm speaking from my personal experience.

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155/30s should get me there according to Warren, BD and a couple others. I'm more concerned with getting the turbo to spool.



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You are not going to get 400 rwhp from a 6.0 on a tow tune without serious upgrades. Not just a turbo. A performance tune, sure, but not a tow tune. 190/30's and a Stage 1.5 or Stage 2 and a very hot tow tune might get you close, but your towing will suffer with that much tune.

If you want a good tow vehicle that's fun to drive at elevation, get the KC Stage 1 one and drive on. If you want a little more, get the Stage 1.5 and some injectors. IMO, the 1.5 needs a little more injector than stock to really shine. I have one, so I'm speaking from my personal experience.
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Any idea how much HP/TQ you're making? What's your elevation?
Honestly, no idea and I really don't care. I have done more upgrades than what's in my signature. To me the most important thing is it's reliable and has all the power I need. I push the throttle down and the 9k pound truck rockets off. Elevation is 500-1500 above sea level at any given time.
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155/30s should get me there according to Warren, BD and a couple others. I'm more concerned with getting the turbo to spool.
I won't argue with the experts, but are you sure they said "rear wheel HP" and tow tune?

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Yup, I asked twice to be sure. The only thing that I can't really get a great answer on is the turbo. And I get it, there are a lot of variables. But it seems like they are afraid to overpromise. One guy recommended not going over stock! He couldn't believe me when I told him that I hear that Powermax whistle that you can pick out a mile away, all the time.

Like I said before, some turbo lag is expected here in CO. Bigger turbos lag more. But injectors and tuning will spool a turbo. The question is how much?
I currently drive a 7.3 Excursion with a DP tuner. It spools as well as you could hope for. At sea level it's better. But it still does fine at elevation, and that's without VGT.


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I won't argue with the experts, but are you sure they said "rear wheel HP" and tow tune?
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Fair enough. If you're happy with how it runs, who cares what number shows up on a graph?



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Honestly, no idea and I really don't care. I have done more upgrades than what's in my signature. To me the most important thing is it's reliable and has all the power I need. I push the throttle down and the 9k pound truck rockets off. Elevation is 500-1500 above sea level at any given time.
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