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Old 02-11-2014, 01:23 AM
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Question Towing ratings and limits what truck ???

I am trying to figure out towing options that I might have to stay legal for personal use.

First of all what I have to tow:
Boat trailer aluminum trip axel GVWR #15,000
Trailer weight #1,600
Boat weight #10,500 - #11,500

Now if I bought a truck with a towing GVWR of #11,500 or #12,000 would that be considered over the #26,000 even if real weight is under and warrant a CDL?

I was looking at an Excursion and the most GVWR is #9,200 that I have found. According to ford site that I looked at I would need a dully because of the trailer weight. I know they are strong enough to pull what I want but I want to stay legal because of insurance. I do not pull far about ten miles.

How do all these GVWR combinations come into play with a (bumper) style hitch (non fifth wheel)? I do not know what the actual tongue weight is, maybe #900.

I am looking to buy a tow vehicle and that is why all the questions. I defiantly want a 4x4.

Thank you in advance for any and all help.



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Old 02-11-2014, 02:42 AM
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gvwr doesnt mean anything,

gcwr is what matters

actual weight of truck and trailer cannot exceed the manufacturers gcwr or axle rating.

and you don"t have to worry about a cdl until total wieght exceeds 26,0000lbs


and a boat at 11500+8200(my truck*for ex., with 2 people and full tank)= 19700lbs

my gcwr on my 02 cclb f250 is 20,000, so i have 300lbs to play with before im illegal.


edit forgot trailer weight, that adds into the equation, so i would be illegal
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:46 AM
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The chart did not paste very good but it looks like the Excursion max trailer weight is 11,000 from this 05 ford chart.



2005 EXCURSION
Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (Lbs.)
Axle GCWR Automatic Transmission
Engine Ratio (Lbs.) 4x2
4x4
5.4L SEFI V8 3.73 13,000 6,100

4.10 14,500 7,600
7,200
6.8L SEFI V10 3.73 17,000 10,000
9,600
4.30 20,000 11,000
11,000
6.0L V8 3.73 20,000 11,000
11,000
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cdl only needed if towing for "proffit"/being hired...look at all the huge RV's 90 year old grandpa's who couldn't pass a cdl phyical
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What state are you in?

You need to look at all of it. But most likely, a DOT office will only look at GVWR and GAWRs. I've been weighed before, so that's what happened. GCWR is manufacturer's ratings, but not considered by DOT usually.

Boat trailer: GVWR of 15k. Tongue weight of roughly 25%. 3750lbs is roughly tongue weight. Without actual weights it's all best guess. (I assumed it was a GN/fifth wheel.)
Bumper pull is about 15% tongue weight. 2250 would be rough tongue weight.

You would also need real weights of the trucks to decide if you're over their GAWRs or GVWRs.

Licenses: What state? Texas, a single rig under 26k GVWR needs a Class C. Everyone get's that.
A Class B covers trailers over 10K GVWR or single over 26K GVWR.
Class B is the heaviest, all over 26K GVWR.

Or something like that, I forget, not looking it up right now.
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Old 02-11-2014, 02:07 PM
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I thought bumper pull is closer to 10%. The boat weighted 10,500 at the factory but can change easy since it holds 260 gals of fuel (1600 #s). I had the trailer weighted and it was 1600. So I think it is around 13,000 with partial fuel.

In other post it is stated that the GVWR is what is most important, so I really dont know. That is why I am trying to get correct answers.
I think if we use 1400 as a tongue weight for a pull trailer it will be good. I cannot get any weights as it is snowed in

I have been using a 1500 AWD with air bags but it is not legal and takes experience to use. The front tires try to spin if you do not take off just right. The 6.0 gas engine has amply power to pull for what I am doing but just will not handle the weight correctly.

I do not really care about fuel mileage as the truck will mainly be used close to home. I have been looking at the 2002-2006 f350 4x4 with miles in the 150k-200k miles to keep the price down..

Thanks again
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GCWR is more for the manufacturer's ratings.

GVWR and GAWR will be what anyone with scales will watch, because all those numbers are legally written on each vehicle.

10%-15% is average. RVs usually say 15% so that's what I'm using, and it helps you over compensate.
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Ok, so if I have a GVWR of 9900 GAWR front 5200 GAWR rear 6830. Lets say this crew cab 8 ft. bed SRW 4x4 truck weights 7000, so is that a payload of 2900? If so with a tongue weight of 2000, trailer 15000 would it be legal? As long as not over 900 in truck people, cargo, ect.
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That math is correct as long as rear GAWR isn't overloaded
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:21 PM
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Yea fun............
How much weight would overload a GAWR rear 6830???
What are you saying, don't put all 900 in the trunk. lol..
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