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How much is too much?

I may be taking a 6 hour trip to pickup a load in PA. I would be taking a bumper pull tandum axle 25' deckover 10,000# axles. Does it sound too much putting around 18k on it and towing it back 6 hours? I do have a nice size helper leaf spring pack on my truck, but I don't know if 20k plus the trailer would be too much. I do have a gooseneck hitch, but no trailer, and I don't have the money to throw at a new trailer that will tow 20k. I don't have gauges, I would be buying that torque app until I can get gauges, which would be before the next load.

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Do you have a built trans, good brake controller, good truck brakes, good bit of towing experience? I don't think I would do it without a gooseneck trailer. I pulled our work dump trailer 7k pound axles with my truck and have weighed in at 24k and 25k total. Trans temp got up to 210-215 both times after I got off highway because of stop and go at lights and stop signs. Trans temp was around 170-175 on highway at 60-65 mph. Did have a little bit of chucking if I hit a decent bump in the road. Assuming the trailer weighs about 6-7k (?) and your truck is around 7k (?) plus your 18k on the trailer you're looking somewhere in the neighborhood of 36k. I really wouldn't do that with a bumper pull. I would also definitely invest in some gauges. If you decide to do this anyway don't use overdrive, expect to drive 50-55 and suck down some diesel. Is it possible to borrow a gooseneck or rent a gooseneck for the trip?
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I've been up to 19k on a bumper trailer, do you have a WD hitch? 36k gross is gonna be a lot to get moving (or stopped ) take it slow and make sure you don't put to much of that weight on the tongue, don't think the factory hitch is even rated for that

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I've been up to 19k on a bumper trailer, do you have a WD hitch? 36k gross is gonna be a lot to get moving (or stopped ) take it slow and make sure you don't put to much of that weight on the tongue, don't think the factory hitch is even rated for that
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I have stock trans, just replaced front rotors and pads, good controller, and experience towing pumped pulls non pintle hitch, where the trailer I would take has a pintle. I also have the stock reciever that came with the camper package. The weight would be pretty evenly despersed, but I can try and center it over the axles.
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less toung weight, and a WD (weight distrib.) hitch, added to good contoller and you'll be fine just take it slow

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Would i be breaking any laws? I would be avoiding toll roads so no turnpike. Also I don't have a wd hitch, nor do i think the trailer has the setup for it. I'm calling places local looking for gooseneck trailer for rent. Any ideas on where to look?

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Would i be breaking any laws? I would be avoiding toll roads so no turnpike. Also I don't have a wd hitch, nor do i think the trailer has the setup for it. I'm calling places local looking for gooseneck trailer for rent. Any ideas on where to look?

Legally you'll be over your GVWR and no CDL (unless you have one). Also depending on how you load the trailer you could be over your legal RAWR. Sorry I don't know where you would need to look for a gooseneck rental. Could try craigslist though, I've seen one for rent on the Atlanta craigslist. Probably a long shot but you never know. IMO a pintle hitch doesn't tow any different than a ball hitch if your controller is set up correctly.
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So do you think a cop will pull me over thinking I'm over capacity or just if they want to be an *** type of desk? Are you saying just use the pintle?

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A lot of variables on whether or not you'll get pulled over for weight speculation. Is this a personal haul, commercial haul and what are you hauling if you don't mind me asking. If what you're hauling looks extremely heavy chances are probably higher for getting pulled over. If its not all that big size wise and just a lot of weight chances are probably lower because it doesn't look like you're overweight. Use plenty of straps/chains so it looks better in the eyes of DOT. If a gooseneck isn't really an option and you need to use the bumper pull go for it, just be mindful of how you load it and take your time. To much tongue weight and you'll be sagging. To much weight behind trailer axles and that's gonna be some nasty fishtailing.
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