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Old 02-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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Need some pro help with regulations here.

Ok here is the deal. My current employer manufactures um lets call them ovens. We ship all over the country and internationally but about 70% of them are in the continental US.

Each unit weighs right a round 18k lbs. They are 20ft long by 6 ft wide, at 7ft tall.

By my math with my truck, trailer, and the unit I would come in at around 30-32k approximately. I have my Class A with airbrakes because at one time I was going to take over on of my brothers full size trucks but long story short thats not happening.

Is there any way I can legally run at 32k lbs? I do believe thats above the gvwr of my 2006. I know I can do it in state no problem but I have no idea what the laws are on GVWR in other states. I'm way beyond stupid on hot shot style trucking laws. You guys can call me dumb if you'd like!


I have pulled this kind of weight with the truck before, hay bales, equipment, stuff like that but not commercially so it seems to me that the law is different.
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I think your weight is a little low. I'll explain... Truck is rated for 10-14k. Trailer 25k+. That's 35-39k. That's on the low side, a 30' PJ dual tandem (25k GVWR) is a little over 7k. That leaves just under 18k for the load. If your truck weights 9k (yes, it may be a little over but you need tools, chains, tires, full tank of fuel, what ever else/people you have with you...) At the very least, you're looking at 34k+ actual weight. You need to be registered for at the very least the truck GVWR + trailer GVWR... somewhere around my 35-39k. And again, with an 18k load, you would be OVER the trailers GVWR by 100+ pounds. Don't forget about snow/ice weight that collects if you drive through snow. Not saying it can't be done, but that is a LOT of weight. I would be worried about stopping it quick. We're talking about weights almost double what Ford rated the truck for...


You should be able to change the GVCWR. Don't forget about the proper insurance, apportioned plates and IFTA. Maybe someone else can help here. I have an idea of the legal stuff, but I don't want to give you wrong information.


Before you get too far into this, is your truck a DRW or SRW? I would not want to be running that heavy with a SRW truck, not to mention I assume you would be over the RAWR, and tire ratings.
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That's WAY to much weight to be running constantly, plus, you DON'T have the brakes for it. If you're serious about it, buy a single axle semi tractor, it will last longer, you'll have better brakes and get as good, or better fuel milage as you would with the loaded pickup.
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That's WAY to much weight to be running constantly, plus, you DON'T have the brakes for it. If you're serious about it, buy a single axle semi tractor, it will last longer, you'll have better brakes and get as good, or better fuel milage as you would with the loaded pickup.
Thats what I have on my mind. I don't have the capital at the moment but I may be forced to finance a true medium duty or larger truck.

My f350 is a SRW I have a dually rear for it but even still the brakes won't be sufficient as you guys said doing the math I think it's going to cost me more than I would profit on wear on the truck and the chance of killing me or someone else.

Would an F650 be sufficient for this kind of constant haul? Or go bigger?
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Thats what I have on my mind. I don't have the capital at the moment but I may be forced to finance a true medium duty or larger truck.

My f350 is a SRW I have a dually rear for it but even still the brakes won't be sufficient as you guys said doing the math I think it's going to cost me more than I would profit on wear on the truck and the chance of killing me or someone else.

Would an F650 be sufficient for this kind of constant haul? Or go bigger?
F-650s (at least the older ones) are 26k GVWR IIRC. F-750s are 33k. Looks like they are rated for up to 60k combined.

On a similar idea, other than brakes... I'm sure a Cat (maybe Cummins) would hold up a lot better at 35k+ pounds than a 6.0. I'm NOT saying the 6.0 isn't a good motor. I'm saying I think there are better options for those weights.
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Well I didn't realise that you can't buy an f650/f750 with the cat anymore they all come with the 6.7 cummins so thats right out the window.

I'm looking at the international M2 106 now. Looks like they start around 100k but there are a few decent used ones around for under 80k. I think I'll be checking some out when I get home from the northeast on friday.
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Thats what I have on my mind. I don't have the capital at the moment but I may be forced to finance a true medium duty or larger truck.

My f350 is a SRW I have a dually rear for it but even still the brakes won't be sufficient as you guys said doing the math I think it's going to cost me more than I would profit on wear on the truck and the chance of killing me or someone else.

Would an F650 be sufficient for this kind of constant haul? Or go bigger?
I like F-650s, but they aren't the best for power and their milage is a bad as a loaded semi tractor. Look around, you can find decent semi tractors in the $15-$20K range. I you look hard you can find cab overs for under $10K. Plus if you move to the bigger truck,you'll have a sleeper, which will come in handy and save you money.
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Well I didn't realise that you can't buy an f650/f750 with the cat anymore they all come with the 6.7 cummins so thats right out the window.

I'm looking at the international M2 106 now. Looks like they start around 100k but there are a few decent used ones around for under 80k. I think I'll be checking some out when I get home from the northeast on friday.
You can buy a hell of a used semi tractor for that price, $80-100K instead of those medium duty trucks like that. And DO NOT get one with the Mercedes engine in it. Be aware, if you travel to CA, make sure whatever you buy is legal to go out there.......
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Maybe see if your company would help set you up to do this?
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Maybe see if your company would help set you up to do this?
No go on that one, I'll be an independent contractor on this one. Basically I work my regular job until we have a unit to ship and then I hotshot it to the customer on my own time for a negotiated price. This will be a very long time deal with no definite end date so it should last a good while to cover my costs.


I really don't want to go to a full size semi sized truck. I was thinking the costs to operate will be higher with a full size truck than a medium duty rig. The other reason I was going to go medium duty is because I'm a big redneck and I will drive it even when I'm not towing
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