Thanks for digging deeper. As far as the CFD thread, I was never a part of it. I didn't even know about it until it had been closed a couple weeks prior and Portcity posted asking about it. Not to say that I wasn't involved indirectly, but you won't find anything from me in there so you don't have to waste any time trying.
As far as calling out the mod, well, in all fairness, he asked. If he can't deal with the truth, then, you know... I can't say that's my fault. But as I did mention in those posts, the only reason I did respond to his challenge was because I truly felt that he believed he had done no wrong, ever. Which I think it's fair to say from what I posted that he was incorrect about that. Although it wasn't telling someone to go screw themselves, it is not becoming of a member, and certainly not a mod. I was hoping it would be more eye opening for him to, in future, be mindful of past events. I believe I indicated that in my post as well.
My comment about who mods the mods, I'd again say I think it's fair enough. I didn't say you were running rampant like children, but the truth of it is we as members just don't know. We don't know who moderates you fellas, because when a mod like Mitch is allowed to do what he has done, and doesn't seem to settle down ever, the nature of the beast is that people will question the authority.
I'm not trying to stir the pot. I've thought about this a lot.
Here's a summary of my perspective on the matter, and again I'm open for debate, disagreement, suggestions and all.
People are wondering why some of the users were banned and why it was so harsh, and legitimately so. At this point, to them, it's almost a conspiracy. Why are the mods staying so tight lipped if they have nothing to hide. (I'm not saying that's the case, but that's what comes easily to the skeptics).
To not answer them, and ask them to just forget it and move on, appears more like the mods made a mistake, or acted more harshly than was necessary, and that the people were right.
To answer them with the truth, could also set off another disruption, depending on what that truth is.
I'm not saying either is a good option. Or that either is clean cut. I can presume with good certainty that people will ask me via PM one way or another what the outcome of all of this was, or for my side of the story.
I don't know if it's better to tell some people who tell others and let the story get skewed, or to just put it up in my own words (factual) and let people read it themself.
I'm really at odds with both. I know I've already had a few people talking to me asking me about what events took place.
definitely no conspiracy at all , its not that mods are trying to hide anything , its more just that people come to the site for info and trucks , when this kinda thing comes up , trying to use pm's and mod forum to discuss just keeps the open forum more on topic , so when I have you guys emailing me about whatever the issue is , I also have other members going do we really have to listen to this , so its a hard game to play if that makes sense, we have over 100,000 members on the site , and right now about 20 involved in this deal , so I have to think about other members and what they need to see out in open forum
I mod the mods , to answer that question , and that's why I chose to back the ban off like I did , I do think in this situation he possibly got overwhelmed and really didn't know what to do , and he can be a hot head just like many of the members , so it got out of control , way out of control, and its my job to try and fix it if a mod does get out of line , try to answer members concerns , ive never banned a mod , but that doesn't mean they are bulletproof , just saying they do get *****ed at for lack of better terms if need be , and have been demoted before over the years , so in this situation, he got his warning to back out , if he gets in again, he will possibly be demoted or given a vacation
as far as how you handle it , I cant make that call for ya , if you feel like you need to post it up have at it , id rather see it handled by pm, but as long as it is civil either way and not against code of conduct , do what you gotta do there
I absolutely agree about it being a site about info and trucks, and certain information is probably best to not be shared. I'm all for the freedom of information, and I think that CFD thread ending the way that it did is just, well, bad luck I guess. I know you guys have your hands tied in certain scenarios and that mistakes do happen. Happens with everyone. But I think that CFD took advantage of the situation, and when it comes to information, some valuable info that future customers might be interested in is no longer available. But again, bad luck. I don't think it was necessarily anyone's intention, maybe just oversight. The repercussions of those actions, I'm aware, get played out far worse in peoples minds if left to their own imagination as to why such events occurred. I'm digressing, but hang in there for a second.
I wanted to remark on my post about "calling out a mod". I assure you it wasn't meant as anything nearly as malicious. It wasn't to call anyone out or stir the pot. I was trying to be helpful. My comment about not wanting to hear anything about this is volunteer and we are doing are best, still stands. It's just as easy for someone to say they made a mistake, as it is to say I don't get paid for this so deal with it. I'm all for the volunteering, and that it's sometimes a fruitless effort, but what I was trying to get at is that you are a wolfpack, in a good way. If someone is busy at work, and can't properly address the concerns or deal with an issue, then why do a half assed job of it that could see the consequences echoing for some time down the road (like we are in now) when you could just call on another mod or other mods to take it over and handle the situation. I don't feel that excuses are justification in the wake of poor performance. Accountability and betterment will go a lot further in life, so I've found.
I'll put it all aside and do my best to keep things subtle if anything at all comes up. I won't make a post about it, only because I'm inclined to lean towards your opinion that some information doesn't need to be out in the public forum, and doing so probably won't help the masses who are here to talk trucks. But if I do get asked about it, I'll be truthful based on what information is supplied to me, without being controversial.
Believe me, I never wanted any of this. Nor did I want the extra work to be tacked on to you guys dealing with damage control or fallout.
In future, I'll do my best to step out of anything that could become a mess and just report it to the mods if need be. Just give me your assurance that you folks will be striving to keep it all in check, no matter the who's or the what's.
Any follow up?
Well yea and no. Yes The reason for the ban was that it was felt that you were stirring the pot Which can be a code of conduct violation. And no there weren't any other reasons given. But several mods said they did agree wirh the ban and that. They felt if the ban wasnt put in place that it could have gotten escalated more on your end. So i agree that the ban was to long and i hope shortening it helped anyway
While I can understand their feelings I wholly disagree with them. If you step out of the admin shoes and step in to mine for a second, you might see that my first posting about the way the CFD thread and how it was handled was, despite all, an effort to have mods reconsider how they handle things in future. Particularly it was something that became a big topic in the thread that was opened up and was brought up several times by various members who also felt the same way. A proper discussion was had, and some good points were taken and discussed among the moderators.
The second post was merely a response to a request by Mitch, and should in no way have been any basis for a ban other than someone in particular wasn't happy with the answer to the question he asked. That's in no way my fault.
If the mods felt that I was stirring the pot, and that it might escalate if I wasn't banned, they absolutely should have PMed me or posted in the thread asking me to be more compliant with their wishes (which was not stated, so I would have had to make assumptions on, if you care to take a look at the thread).
So I posted a couple of facts about the events that took place, and posted my opinion that when doing their job, mods need to put aside their own opinions and look at the rules and facts, meaning, feelings aside.
For this, I am given a very harsh punishment, and only afterward when I reached out to you folks was I told I was being disruptive and was banned as a result of possibly doing something that could be considered a violation of the CoC.
If you haven't already, I'd appreciate you taking the time to actually read what I posted in that thread, and tell me if you honestly think it was meant to be disruptive and to "stir the pot".
Hopefully that gives you a better understanding of why I made that post in the first place, and how in my eyes, through this experience included, I managed to hit pretty damn close to the mark on my statement.
I have read the thread. All of them. And did call out mods involved. I'm in a spot where I try to back them and try to be fair to you also. The whole deal has been a no win for me. All i can say is I hope you come back with no hard feelings and know that I am working to get staff to be where they need to be
As far as hard feelings, those aren't going anywhere. I've been given a ban on account of a moderator acting improperly.
My punishment, time away.
His punishment, nothing.
For a person who had to change his picture in his signature because he clearly broke a rule in the CoC, along with all of the other recent events where you admitted he was in the wrong, he sure is placed up on a high pedestal of invulnerability.
Let me ask you this, if Mitch today, as you have known him and taken in to account his actions over the last few months, applied to be a moderator or super moderator, would you actually give him that opportunity?
Maybe you should consider giving Mitch a few months off from the moderating scene and allow him to reapply after that time period if he still wants too.
I'm sorry, but I hope you can understand that as hard of a spot as you were in, I'm affording very little sympathy toward the matter. Mitch did the wronging, I served the punishment.
And that was the last I ever heard from him.
So as to how this relates. In another thread in this forum right now, there is a discussion going on about the way things are handled by Mods.
A need for a concise and clear cut CoC.
An open or at the very least, somewhat public address from the Mods as to what is being done about the CFD issue, the complaints, their abuse of vendor status to edit threads and what not, OTHER than just waiting for it all to go away, which just doesn't seem to be the case.
I hope this will insight some good discussion that can hopefully lead to an action plan to clean up some of the nonsense that's been going on lately.
I've been reading the "we did the best we could" phrase far too many times from Mods and CFD alike, and asking people to just accept it and move on, until the next time it happens.