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post #1 of 12 Old 07-14-2013, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
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Loose Steering...?

I have noticed my steering has gotten a little on the loose side compared to what it used to be. Any ideas on how to tighten it back up? mods are 2.5" leveling kit (newton lift) and 35x12.50 on stock 20"s this didnt happen after the lift, that was well over a year ago I leveled it and its just now starting to get loose. Any ideas would be great.

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You need to figure out what is loose. Take a look at the steering box first, can you move the steering wheel side to side before the pitman arm moves?
Track bar can also wear on the bolt at frame mount and give a loose feeling.


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what do you mean by track bar?? I've had a similar problem, and I can't decide whether the play is a result of the power steering pump or the gearbox any help would be appericated
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the track bar locates the axle side to side,

to the OP, the tire and lift combo IS probably the culprit, the effects of large tires are not overnight issues, but rather accelerated wear of items....specifically steering.

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Yeah I understand the bigger heavier tires are probably the reason, but what I want to know is, what did the bigger heavier tires wear out so i can fix it? without taking it to a shop to have it done. I would like to try and fix it.

Mhatlen, I will have to take a look at that. thanks

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I need to take a look at the bolt on mine, I am getting a rough yank and feel the front axle rack on me at times when I hit a big dip or big bump.
I can tell you my steering box had some play in it and I only have 84,000 miles on the truck. I grabbed the allen wrench and the 3/4 wrench and went about a 1/8 of a turn on my thrust bearing in the steering box and cinched up the nut tight and what a difference that made.
I can tell you 38" tires are more than these trucks like and I drive it very easy. Been thinking about putting a couple of additional cross members in under transfer case area and at the radius arm mounts. I can feel the trucks frame flex more so since I went with 38's over the 37's. There is a big difference, just the weight of the tires is 35lbs and I felt it immediately in both frame flex and the brakes.
I have 30,000 miles on them and I'm guessing they are going to go at least another 20,000 so I am going to stiffen this thing up and see how it likes it.

I am looking at running a piece of 3" tube from radius arm mount to mount. Tie both of them together and run cross braces to the transmission cross member. That will firm up the entire front rails and engine mounts etc. I'm sure you feel the frame gallop at times, these frames need to be stiffened up a bit.

Next set of tires are going to be Terra Grapplers 36"/14/18 not sure if they will last like the Toyo's but holy cow at 105lbs they are too much for even the Dana 60 IMO.

Ok I'm done ranting, check the track bar bolt and steering box for play first.


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A good way to find which parts are worn out is to have someone keep turning the steering wheel back and forth while you lay under the front of the truck and watch each joint from the steering box down to the tie rod ends.

You will be able to see which joints have excess play in them and need to be tightened or replaced.

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Forewarning, I dont know crap about suspension.

I did the steering wheel side to side test and the (i think its called) pitman drop arm that comes out of the steering box moves perfect with the wheel, but where it is bolted to the bar that that pushes the wheels side to side that bolt/bushing combo seems loose has a little play to it.

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AFE S2 PDS
ARP Head Studs
FloPro EGR Delete with Intake Elbow
FloPro CAC pipe
Rebuilt beefed up OEM Up pipes
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Replace it. My steering is tight as a tick now.


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X4 PHP 65 HP Custom Tow Tune
Atlas40 Ficm Tune
CAT EC-1 Coolant, IPR Coolant filter
Fass-125 to a Adjustable Pressure Reg.
Turbo-back SS 4" pipe, Corsa Muffler -7" Tip
6.4 starter, DC Power 270 amp alt
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That is the drag link right?

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