NOS: Let's Get Real Here

[DKR]

Granny, it aint cheating if it ain't against the rules.

Now, if you are racing in a "no spray" bracket, like say, "Stock Turbo, Stock Injectors, No N2O or Meth Or Propane" style race, yeah, then it's cheating.

[Granny]

What is stock? I don't think I remember what that is? I know it is not against the rules but..... I guess I am reverting back to my dirt track days. I was brought up on running fuel only.

[720Deere]

I'm going to start this by saying that if my truck ever crosses the 500 hp threshold it will be without the aid of spayable power enhancers. With that being said, I don't really understand all the hubbub about N2O. Most of us run tuners on our diesels and a tuner is a very cheap way to bag an extra 150 hp on most trucks. Is that cheating? It's the same in my book. You dropped a small amount of cash and just gained a ton of power with little to no effort on your part.


It's all about perspective. I don't mind nitrous, just don't brag in my face that you make 150 more hp than me or run X seconds faster in the 1/4 when you do it on giggle gas. When your expensive little bottle runs out (and it will) you won't have your competitive edge any more. Other than that I think it's an expensive power adder in the long run but it's a fun and easy power gain.

[Rodslinger]

Unless it's stock vs. stock it can all be considered cheating because it boils down to opinions. Who decides what is and isn't cheating? If it's legal on the track, it's legal horsepower. Saying doing it on motor alone is the only way and any other enhancers is cheating makes no sense. I think slicks are cheating, I want us all on street tires - whitewalls showing or it's cheating.

[shu873]

Originally Posted by DKR

Actually from my understanding and learning about N2O is that it doesnt really show up as much as you think on the dyno. It's biggest help is in the 1/4. It just acts as an additive to improve race times.

Increase on dynos, from what I have been taught, are not that dramatic of an increase.

So, there is "most of it N2O"...example, I dynoed at approx. 435 HP before spray. After spray, I am guesstimating approx 475, little higher.

It is just a power adder, thats all. And I like it!!

Spraying will show up on the dyno as long as you have more fuel than you have air to burn it. Ie: Big sticks and a stock turbo charger. You can definately see the increase in power by spraying all the additional fuel that the turbo can't clean up. I completely agree that the spray is a big help in the 1/4 too. I've never ran with it, but I'm sure the spool up is lightning fast.

[Granny]

I ain't gonna lie....... I have thought about it and have been told that I need to use it to help clean up what my turbo can't but.... it scares me. I guess I have broke The Granny so many times and she has been taken apart so many times, that I just dont' want to have to put her through that any more! I know I am going to have to put her through another head job and for that I have apologized to her but somehow I don't thing she really forgives me for driving her hard and putting her up wet like I do! Don't get me wrong, I would love to see just exactly what I could get out of the of the old lady with a little giggle gas, but I am also afraid of what it would do to her in the end. Go ahead and call me .... but for now I have to say no to drugs.

[Rodslinger]

Originally Posted by Granny

I ain't gonna lie....... I have thought about it and have been told that I need to use it to help clean up what my turbo can't but.... it scares me. I guess I have broke The Granny so many times and she has been taken apart so many times, that I just dont' want to have to put her through that any more! I know I am going to have to put her through another head job and for that I have apologized to her but somehow I don't thing she really forgives me for driving her hard and putting her up wet like I do! Don't get me wrong, I would love to see just exactly what I could get out of the of the old lady with a little giggle gas, but I am also afraid of what it would do to her in the end. Go ahead and call me .... but for now I have to say no to drugs.

Nah - no each to their own. That's why I only run a small shot.

[NOVAJOE105]

There are a lot of pros and cons to nitrous and the use of it. In an all out strictly competition vehicle I can understand why someone would use it to get that little bit of an edge on the other guy and will spray whatever is necessary to do so. Although at the same time I can honestly say it will NEVER be on anything that I own. I have been around drag racing for a while and know a lot of guys who use it and have been sucessful with it. But these same guys will tell ya that it also hard on the motor and that they are on the ragged edge with it. If used in moderation you will prolly never hurt anything and be able to enjoy the benefeits of it for a long time, but it's like any other power adder...you always wanna see what will happen if ya use just a little bit more. I don't like the fact that so many people are turning to it just to keep up with the Jones's, but to each their own. If you can afford what happens when you push the envelope a little too far...then by all means spray away. I am still more impressed by the guys and gals that do it with all throttle and NO bottle.

['strokeThis_'07]

Originally Posted by DKR

Actually from my understanding and learning about N2O is that it doesnt really show up as much as you think on the dyno.

I know of one truck that dynoed around 850 on fuel, and 1289 on nitrous...

And anybody that says thats not sweet is too jealous to admit how cool that is. Bottle or not, thats some serious horsepower there; nobody can argue that!!

My opinion on propane, hmm, well, it belongs on a grill or heating your home. I understand why it may be used, but Ive never run it, and dont see myself doing so.Towing, maybe, but for racing or dyno, nitrous all the way...Id use water injection before I used propane, and even that has shown to be kinda up in the air as to how safe it is...

[99Smokin73Stroker]

Yeah, I disagree with "not seeing the N20 gain" very much on the dyno. I don't know how many times I have read of a truck nearly doubling it's hp total from it. I'm wowed pretty much either way. I hate to see it labeled as "cheating" though. Come on, cheating? Cheating is what you do on tests in elementary school, and saying someone is cheating by using it is an elementary comment itself. The only time I see it being looked at as cheating would be in a situation like "Pinks" when some of those guys just aren't honest with what they are running or just how many stages, but actually using the product isn't.

Originally Posted by Granny

I know I am going to have to put her through another head job and for that I have apologized to her but somehow I don't thing she really forgives me for driving her hard and putting her up wet like I do! .

Granny I know it was clean, but it was just so dirty too.