Canadian Gun Control: Survey

[bigbaldbob]

Originally Posted by TEX-NARDI

Terrible, terrible point in time for Canadians. And no we just didn't look on, what could we do? Don't say we didn't want to do something. That hurts. If someone had a firearm there, things would have turned out differently, but said person would still have to explain reasons for having a fire arm with him.

This is the point some of us are trying to convey. The people where completely unable to protect themselves. And guess what I bet it was already illegal to carry a machete on the bus. So listen carefully to what I'm about to type. The Guy who got his head chopped completely Off was a law abiding citizen. The Canadian hand gun policy did nothing to protect that law abiding citizen a heinous crime was committed. Point is a Gun in the right hand could have saved that guys life.

[kingchip]

Originally Posted by TEX-NARDI

Why is it that Canada ( per capita ) has a lower crime rate than the USA?

Either fewer people, or better sentencing requirements for criminals. Take your pick. There are fewer violent crimes in the US in CHL states than inhandgun prohibitive states. As a matter of fact, there are more violent crime deaths in both Detroit and Washington DC than in Iraq. Explain that.

[TEX-NARDI]

Originally Posted by bigbaldbob

This is the point some of us are trying to convey. The people where completely unable to protect themselves. And guess what I bet it was already illegal to carry a machete on the bus. So listen carefully to what I'm about to type. The Guy who got his head chopped completely Off was a law abiding citizen. The Canadian hand gun policy did nothing to protect that law abiding citizen a heinous crime was committed. Point is a Gun in the right hand could have saved that guys life.

I totally agree. But eliminate handguns altogether and the other 60% of violent crimes will go down. I hope... In this case, yes, some one with a fire arm would have helped ( ie: shot gun, 7.62, 6.5 x 55, 30-06 ) but of all the other violent crimes committed, if the criminal never had a firearm to begin with, the crime wouldn't take place. I hope...

[TEX-NARDI]

Originally Posted by kingchip

Either fewer people, or better sentencing requirements for criminals. Take your pick. There are fewer violent crimes in the US in CHL states than inhandgun prohibitive states. As a matter of fact, there are more violent crime deaths in both Detroit and Washington DC than in Iraq. Explain that.

You misunderstand ( per capita means "for the same abount of people in a given area" ) What Iraq has to do with this discussion is be-ond me...

[choctaw]

Originally Posted by TEX-NARDI

I totally agree. But eliminate handguns altogether and the other 60% of violent crimes will go down. I hope... In this case, yes, some one with a fire arm would have helped ( ie: shot gun, 7.62, 6.5 x 55, 30-06 ) but of all the other violent crimes committed, if the criminal never had a firearm to begin with, the crime wouldn't take place. I hope...

Hope....... Look what Hope has done for the US. Come on, reality is the answer, not hope.

[TEX-NARDI]

Originally Posted by choctaw

Hope....... Look what Hope has done for the US. Come on, reality is the answer, not hope.

thanks......

[REDPOWERSMOKER]

Originally Posted by TEX-NARDI

I totally agree. But eliminate handguns altogether and the other 60% of violent crimes will go down. I hope... In this case, yes, some one with a fire arm would have helped ( ie: shot gun, 7.62, 6.5 x 55, 30-06 ) but of all the other violent crimes committed, if the criminal never had a firearm to begin with, the crime wouldn't take place. I hope...

IF SOMEONE ON THE BUS USED A SHOTGUN INSTEAD OF A HANDGUN THEN BAD GUY, THE VIC, AND WHO KNOWS WHO ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN HURT OR KILLD BY SHOTGUN SHOT FLYING ALL OVER

[bigbaldbob]

Originally Posted by TEX-NARDI

Please don't belittle me. I have been around and owned firearms since I was a child. Never once have I felt the need to carry a side arm or use one in any matter. Like I said before, guns are for hunting not shooting each other. That brings me to another point, target practicing. I've heard people use the argument of target practicing to allow them the ownership of a hand gun. Really... really... Are there that many people who "target practice" that require us to keep handguns? It seems to me that not very many Americans want to talk about this logically, and would rather insult, thantry to listen or even be open minded. Afterall, I'm trying to be open minded and look at everybodies response.

Dude, come on how was I belittling you. I honestly detect a sense of fear when you talk about hand guns in the general public. Sorry dude if I'm mistaken. And its good your trying to be open minded.

I find it funny some people always try to justify having a gun for some type of reason like hunting, target shooting. I believe in freedom....... I don’t care what kind of gun or weapon you have or want. It makes no difference what you want to do with it. To me it's all about the 2nd amendment, and freedom.

You want to say Americans don’t want to talk about this logically. When we broke away from the tyrannical rule of your founding country and set up our own government. Private ownership of guns was only second to free speech / religion. Owning guns is a part of our heritage. So when someone says you don’t deserve or need a gun for whatever reason. That’s like taking a dump on our constitution.

[rdc]

Originally Posted by TEX-NARDI

I totally agree. But eliminate handguns altogether and the other 60% of violent crimes will go down. I hope... In this case, yes, some one with a fire arm would have helped ( ie: shot gun, 7.62, 6.5 x 55, 30-06 ) but of all the other violent crimes committed, if the criminal never had a firearm to begin with, the crime wouldn't take place. I hope...

I responded to this misstatement earlier. If a criminal who would have been one of the 60% of criminals who use a handgun for crime, had not been able to get a handgun, he would have used another 'tool' - such as a machete.

A criminal will not cease to be a criminal simply because he can't get his hands on a specific tool. He'll just use a different tool.

You'll still have violent crime.

[TEX-NARDI]

Oh, and by the way. The original question asked was what we think of the registry. I hate it. Why should a farmer have to register his .22 or .410???? Never once has a true farmer comitted a violent crime. And I'm not talking about about a crazy Billy-Bob, no teeth, Hillbilly from Arkansas either. I mean good, down home, wholesome farmer.