A DREAM COME TRUE!!!

[Snowman66]

Originally Posted by choctaw

One could become a licensed H/VAC tech, journeyman plumber/electrician, all the while earning much more than min. wage and in the end, their jobs will never be outsourced.

I'm as close to a high school dropout as you can be without dropping out.
Ben self employed my whole life. Tought myself refrigeration. Built a Kickazz system for my Boat. Have installed two units in a grocery store that a friend owns. A professianal installed the 3rd. He had to come back. My systems working trouble free.

The only limitation in this great country is ourselves.
No Job for me is a lazy excuse, go out and create your own. there's many examples of that on the Org. Raul comes to mind Chectow and alot of others.

And none of us waited for Gov to help us, we helped ourselves. that's why we don't like Lib princaple and Libs don't like our Princaples.


I wish I learned how to spell.

This is awesome! I mean if your in the Obama camp.

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[TexasR.N.]

Mine are red

Originally Posted by oregoncalfroper

I hate to bring reality to this board (In all seriousness...... there is little chance ofa lib doing this) but it has to be done... There are NOT enough good jobs for everyone... Cograts! This is why I worked hard and continue to work hard, to get a good job and to keep it.....without government help.there is and will always be classes lower, class, middle class, and upper class, red's would just like 2 lower and upperWhere do you get your info from, you really think we conservatives sit around plotting ways to keep people down? Sorry hoss, we're too busy raising families, working, going to school and making our communities a better place, without government assistance. I'm middle class, probably won't make it into the upper class. Instead of building wealth I am building memories with my family......it's where my priorities are. and no middle class, for no other reason except some people are untrainable Why are they untrainable? I'll tell you why as
I have a unique perspective. 1) 19 year old mom with a 7 year old daughter, was it a conservatives fault she didn't keep her legs together at 12? 2) Money for crack, alcohol, a grill (gold front teeth), but no money for blood pressure meds. Did conservatives hand him / her the crack pipe? and and others don't have opportunity Another unique perspective, being successful is = to being white. Did conservatives put this line of thought into a child's head or did a family member, or someone in their community?, I love the old if you don't like your job quit it and get another, or if there are no good jobs in your state move... That is the biggest load of bull**** I have ever heard, most people can not pickup and move state to state trying to gain employment for a myriad of reasons There were a myriad of reasons why we couldn't get to the moon..........but we did it anyway. Drive is an incredible force when applied appropriately.most of which is living while you do it and the cost involved, schools do not prepare kids to go into the real world any longer and gain meaningful employmentKids being instructed by liberal teachers not educating the kiddos? You can figure this out and still vote for Obama?, most of you probably remember a time where out of highschool you would have some semblance of a tradesman's beginning to get you started, but now if you are lucky you can do enough math to work a cash register or stock shelves at wal mart Why study math? The governemt will provide for me. Why would I need to know more than simple addition?and that is supposed to be a stepping stone? Yeah I see a ton of people working retail moving up the corporate ladder or being able to earn enough money to live and get the extra education they need to succeed. There are jobs and people have to fill them and someone has to live on that min wage whether you like it or not so pay your taxes and shop at stores that pay they're employees a livable wage Illeagal immigrants drive down liveable wages, who wants to keep them here? Libs or conservatives?and health benefitsGo get your own insurance....a young healthy individual can get major medical and it is affordable. I have done it, I didn't ask the government for a hand out or expect someone else to foot the bill or pay more taxes and help them out Don't shop at scab mart and expect to pay no extra taxes because what you are doing is making the problem worse not better. Your big liberal government has encouraged business to leave the US. EPA regulations, taxes, other governemt regulations etc..........A conservative government is generally friendly to business. But wait you have a beef with "big business" the same businesses that hire Americans.

[quote=oregoncalfroper;977937]I voted for Obama because I believe though he will spend like a Dem spends..... well the reds been spending like crazy for the last 8 that the money spent will be better suited for the people as infrastructure, health care and job creation, Are you white? This is what Robert Reich had to say about governemnt and white construction workers and high skilled laborers today.
YouTube - Explosive Video Reich, Obamas economic advisor no "White Male Construction Workers"
If you can't watch the video:
Robert Reich: "I have nothing against white male construction workers"
Who is Robert Reich?
Robert Reich's Blog

Originally Posted by oregoncalfroper

You are wrong there were no overseas free trade agreements when Clinton was in office just Nafta,Why didn't Clinton issue an executive order and make Nafta null and void if it was so bad? and Walmart ships everything from China (See above for why China is the dominant manufactoring nation) or strongarms American companies to get what they want! You don't do this? You set out to buy something and pay and then pay the first price that comes along? Not me, I shop around to get the best price.

Well Nafta was garbage and everyone knows that.. after the fact except for the reds who have been pushing for more of them during Bush's 8 years they got 1 and tried for like 2 others they got Korea and the Dems said no to CAFTA Bush also tried to keep the Mexican trucking program going when congress said shut it down Wrong again. WE said shut it down. Our congressmen and women and senators did what we said for once. See just because Bush wanted it doesn't mean we all fell in lock step behind him regardless of the consequences.. I believe that Obama wont take 1 sided trade agreements where Bush, Mcain whichever red had gotten in would have. Umm, Obama got caught in a lie about NAFTA. He said he would repeal it at the same time he had an associate in Canada saying don't worry "it's just political talk". Really man, you need to research topics in a more thorough manner. Try a variety of news organizations, websites, radio programs, etc....

Originally Posted by oregoncalfroper

Some people have the idea that when a big corporation makes more they pay they're employees more....errrrrr false, corporate America looks to exploit the working class Quit reading Marx. Pick up a western novel, Michner is a good read as well.at every chance they get, they're only allegiance is to the shareholder. So the employees of Delta are the share holders, Southwest airlines as well IIRC. What doe s this say?
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.” — Abraham Lincoln’s Message to Congress, Dec. 3, 1861.

Lincoln was wrong. I never had a laborer hire me. I have had people with working capital offer me a job though. Just because a president said it don't make it true.

I sincerely hope you change your outlook on this nation. Especially when you contradict yourself so much.

Have a good evening,
Craig

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[mschn99]

Alright....ive had my fun and its boring when only one person on the opposing side will try to actually have any sort of a converstaion.......see yall when i feel the need to stirr the pot again!!!


and to oregoncalfroper.....while i think you are very mis informed......and that you base your opinion on feeling more than fact......i will still give you Kudos for at least trying to justify your point beyone a sentance or too.......thats something that most libs wont bother to do. Well done being the ONLY person to have the balls to try to justify the leftist side of this thread

[kingchip]

Originally Posted by Jon

This is awesome! I mean if your in the Obama camp.

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Damn good thing my wife, and consequently my kids, are hispanic. We'll get something.........NOT

[bockhold]

Originally Posted by kingchip

Damn good thing my wife, and consequently my kids, are hispanic. We'll get something.........NOT

im a single white male that works has no kids and in college full time.

and i doubt that ill get one also

[TexasR.N.]

Where o where have our little libs gone
Where o where could they be
With their memories so short and their blinders on
Where o where have our little libs gone

Stealing from Ron White "You boys have got a lot of quit in you".
Craig

[oregoncalfroper]

Originally Posted by HappeetxnR.N.

Mine are red









Lincoln was wrong. I never had a laborer hire me. I have had people with working capital offer me a job though. Just because a president said it don't make it true.

I sincerely hope you change your outlook on this nation. Especially when you contradict yourself so much.

Have a good evening,
Craig

Lincoln was not wrong, he understood that if big business went unchecked , by the labour pool or government than the standards of those making the capital for said businesses would be determined by the business with no regard to health and welfare of the workers. This is a classic example of how the rich as in "big business" will screw the working man and his own unless the business is held accountable for its actions by the workforce, Wal Mart doesn't shop for the best deal they demand the deal they want by bullying suppliers to do it or lose the business of the worlds largest retailer there are a lot of companies who lose money onsome the products they sell to Wal mart to keep all fo theyre products on they're shelves and then said company has to squeeze its workers wages and benefits and they're suppliers do the same and you bring everyones standard of living down.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by oregoncalfroper

Lincoln was not wrong, he understood that if big business went unchecked , by the labour pool or government than the standards of those making the capital for said businesses would be determined by the business with no regard to health and welfare of the workers. This is a classic example of how the rich as in "big business" will screw the working man and his own unless the business is held accountable for its actions by the workforce, Wal Mart doesn't shop for the best deal they demand the deal they want by bullying suppliers to do it or lose the business of the worlds largest retailer there are a lot of companies who lose money onsome the products they sell to Wal mart to keep all fo theyre products on they're shelves and then said company has to squeeze its workers wages and benefits and they're suppliers do the same and you bring everyones standard of living down.

Let break this down for you. How are you going to start a business without capital? You cant unless you go with the liberal philosophy that the government and the rich should just hand everything to you.

It takes capital to start a business. Are you going to work for someone that cannot pay you. It is not mandatory for your employer or the government to provide health care for you either. Thats why things like health insurance, and 401k are called benefits. They are not rights. Health care is a good or service just like any other industry in the country.

Here is the definition of benefit
2. a payment or gift, as one made to help someone or given by a benefit society, insurance company, or public agency: The company offers its employees a pension plan, free health insurance, and other benefits.

Here is the definition of rights
Rights are legal or moral entitlements or permissions.

Do you see the difference now.

Now as to you Lincoln and labor quote lets put this in simple terms

Lets use construction for an example. It should be simple enough. Say you are framing a houses for 2 different people. One guy is rich. One guy is poor.

You complete the job. The rich guy pays you for you materials and labor.
You complete the job for the poor guy at the end he says Oh im sorry I cant pay you. Then there you sit stuck with not only your labor costs. But also the cost of material you have invested in the project.

So in a sense you and Craig were both right. You can have labor independant of capital. But do you want to work for free.

[choctaw]

Wal Mart is the exception not the rule, get onto something else.