Palin-Like A Rock

[choctaw]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Jesusfreak

You sound like a Judeo-Christian, or an evangelical. First welcome aboard Navy term for howdy brother. I sugest you check you scriptures closer, especialy the part where it says GOD is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I do like the Christian values Sarah Palin will bring to the ticket, as McCain it seems is rather short on some of those values. Also his
( McCain's) voting record does not seem to support Christian values in a strong sense. You are right it is very refresing to hear this from a politician, and I wish them nothing but the very best.
Back to the scriptures if GOD is unchanging and I believe that he is, Then how would you get around the scriptures stating that a woman is not to have authority over the man. If you are truly talking about the moral fabric of this Great Country, endowed by our creator an truly blessed. then what makes you think you can just pick and choose as the wind blows any scripture out of context to justify your feelings. If she where a man with the same atributes, and true Christian resume I would already be pulling the lever for the republican ticket. It is to bad John McCain is to busy pandering to the evangelical core base in this fashon, in stead of standing up for true Christain beliefs himself. Maybe this is like Adam and Eve, if it all goes wrong blaim the woman.
Most of all remember unless John McCain becomes incapacitated in office, Sarah's only job would be as a tie breaker vote as head of the senate. She will not make any policy, and or enforce any policy. The best we could hope for is that a bill that McCain veto's, comes back to a tie breaker vote for overide in the Senate and she Votes for the veto. Thats it end of story, she has no other function untill or if she becomes president.
Just a follow up question no one has asked yet. She Govenor Palin is a career Politicain, and her husband is a stay at home house daddy. I do understand their situation with their son, but just how do you square it with scripture? It truly is a shame that our moral fabric has corroded to the point that we must have 2 incomes, career women instead of men, and work 7 days a week instead of honoring the Sabath (can we say diaspera).

Hardcore Jesusfreak

OK, I got my wife off to work, finished my coffee and smoked my cigs, it's all good now.

First of all I'm not an Evangelical, thanks though.

I do believe the Word of God is unchanging and not subject to interpretation. However, I also believe our Creator intended for us to use judgement/wisdom which we learn from his teachings.
Unfortunately, we live in a world that does not cling to these beliefs as a whole, therefore we are given the ability to discern right from wrong, if we choose to use it! He also gave us compassion/understanding, for us to use if we choose.

With the wisdom and compassion he has given us it is our responsibility to chose our battles carefully, so with that said I choose to witness in such a way that people see my faith without saying a word.

With regards to your statement about women leading men, personally that is a tough one. But, I can't go to battle on that issue, so I will take the lesser of two evils and adapt the world to me-not adapt myself to the world.
I have chosen to immerse myself and my family in a religious setting that studies the Word and does not allow women as Pastors (my choice).
I don't think there would be a question, about whether I am the head of my house; this, I can control and insist that my beliefs are adhered to.

Now i am sure you don't believe that a woman leading our Country would bring it to her knees. I am sure there other issues that will do that long before.

Now, I am sure it's not your intention to disparage Sarah Palin, or her husband. So I don't think your "stay at home daddy" remark is very becoming of a so called "man of the cloth".

And in most cases where both the man and the woman work, it is out of necessity. I do not think this is right, but what are we to do?
I know the argument against this will be that we don't need so many worldly goods, but that is not always the case.

I think it goes without saying that the morality of this and others Countries are quickly sliding down the proverbial "slippery slope". All we can do is witness, and vote for leaders with the same beliefs as ours.

John McCain is not my favorite choice, but he is heads and shoulders above the Democratic choice.

We must strive to adhere to the teachings of our chosen "Higher Power" and treat each other as we would like to be treated. As said before, our actions should speak louder than words.

Godspeed,
Choctaw

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Last edited by choctaw : 09-05-2008 at 07:47 AM.

[Mike6176]

I too don't agree with everything McCain has done but the one thing that truly spoke to me in his and Palin speaches was the underlying tone of being a servant. I believe that is Christ basic teaching, is how to be a servant or take a servant attitude. If they truly follow through with this attitude I believe they will be able to change the country for the good. If anything hopefully they will be able to inspire others to do the same.

[cja7928]

Originally Posted by gcop

....something wrong with being a "house daddy"? Palin is a career politician...SO, there are a lot pf folks who choose only one vocation in life, hence the term CAREER.... dad stays home, again I say SO......whatever works for them as a family then that's what they should do......2 incomes, career women blah. blah....that's the real world, welcome to it.

I just dont understand why so many people cant stay in touch with reality. Im not a flaming womens rights advocate or anything but to say the man has to go out and work and the woman has to stay home and be suzy home maker.... thats just pie in the sky out of touch with reality jiborish.

[Hardcore Jesusfreak]

Originally Posted by Du510

Here is some food for thought, from The Washington Independent » The Reform Candidate?

Thank you for the information, I knew there was more to the story than what the liberal spin has put out. In escense she (palin) is a tax, borrow, and spend candidate, which fits McCain to a tee. Although She may have strong values, and morality (not necessarly Christian), she is still a middle of the road conservitive pushing her own agenda. It's a shame we can't get any real people to run for office in government, here in the US. Every person wears a facade, but don't drag it along just to get elected. Seems McCain is just using her as a distraction, or a front person.
Again thank you, and I pray things in your city are working out better for you now. I live in San Antonio, Texas and we cant even get curbs, sidewalks, or decent streets due to the good ol' boy politics.
Hardcore Jesusfreak

[CHenry]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Jesusfreak

Thank you for the information, I knew there was more to the story than what the liberal spin has put out. In escense she (palin) is a tax, borrow, and spend candidate, which fits McCain to a tee. Although She may have strong values, and morality (not necessarly Christian), she is still a middle of the road conservitive pushing her own agenda. It's a shame we can't get any real people to run for office in government, here in the US. Every person wears a facade, but don't drag it along just to get elected. Seems McCain is just using her as a distraction, or a front person.
Again thank you, and I pray things in your city are working out better for you now. I live in San Antonio, Texas and we cant even get curbs, sidewalks, or decent streets due to the good ol' boy politics.
Hardcore Jesusfreak

Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well...i mean come on, the Washington Independant is hardly a source of truthfull political news.
Do a little reasearch on Anne Kilkenny...

[kingchip]

The thing everyone needs to see McCain for the most redeeming value that noone can deny. CONVICTION. He isn't as good at putting up the facade most politicians do, and is better for it. He isn't as conservative as some of us would like, yet certianly not as liberal as hussien. Maybe that IS the happy medium we all need. I feel certain that he and Palin could turn DC on it's toes, and get something done.

[drstephennix]

Originally Posted by cja7928

I just dont understand why so many people cant stay in touch with reality. Im not a flaming womens rights advocate or anything but to say the man has to go out and work and the woman has to stay home and be suzy home maker.... thats just pie in the sky out of touch with reality jiborish.

Its not TOO pie in the sky....I do it everyday. And we got a pretty good life. Our kids are raised by their mother and not somebody at a daycare or their school. My bills are paid and theres a little bit left over to have some fun with. Not a WHOLE lot in the bank, but it gets bigger every month as I put money away. Im home every night and every weekend and we make it work. Its not really that hard if a person tries and both people are on board with working it out that way

[cja7928]

Originally Posted by drstephennix

Its not TOO pie in the sky....I do it everyday. And we got a pretty good life. Our kids are raised by their mother and not somebody at a daycare or their school. My bills are paid and theres a little bit left over to have some fun with. Not a WHOLE lot in the bank, but it gets bigger every month as I put money away. Im home every night and every weekend and we make it work. Its not really that hard if a person tries and both people are on board with working it out that way

You are in the exact same boat I am. I work and my wife stays home with our daughter. Not sayin its a bad thing just that things work different for different people. I dont think religion should dictate that the man has to work and the woman has to stay home.

[drstephennix]

Originally Posted by cja7928

You are in the exact same boat I am. I work and my wife stays home with our daughter. Not sayin its a bad thing just that things work different for different people. I dont think religion should dictate that the man has to work and the woman has to stay home.

It just depends on what religion you follow. I dont think a person can pick and choose his way through the Bible. Its not a cafeteria style religion, nor is islam or any other one I know of. A person has to adhere as close as they are able to. Although aint none of us are perfect. But back to topic.....

I think Palin is a good choice as far as the political world goes. She WILL help him in the election process. If McCain were to pass away while in office....that would be a scary thought to think she was in charge.

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Last edited by drstephennix : 09-05-2008 at 11:50 AM.

[Hardcore Jesusfreak]

Originally Posted by choctaw

OK, I got my wife off to work, finished my coffee and smoked my cigs, it's all good now.

First of all I'm not an Evangelical, thanks though.

I do believe the Word of God is unchanging and not subject to interpretation. However, I also believe our Creator intended for us to use judgement/wisdom which we learn from his teachings.
Unfortunately, we live in a world that does not cling to these beliefs as a whole, therefore we are given the ability to discern right from wrong, if we choose to use it! He also gave us compassion/understanding, for us to use if we choose.

With the wisdom and compassion he has given us it is our responsibility to chose our battles carefully, so with that said I choose to witness in such a way that people see my faith without saying a word.

With regards to your statement about women leading men, personally that is a tough one. But, I can't go to battle on that issue, so I will take the lesser of two evils and adapt the world to me-not adapt myself to the world.
I have chosen to immerse myself and my family in a religious setting that studies the Word and does not allow women as Pastors (my choice).
I don't think there would be a question, about whether I am the head of my house; this, I can control and insist that my beliefs are adhered to.

Now I am sure you don't believe that a woman leading our Country would bring it to her knees. I am sure there other issues that will do that long before.

Now, I am sure it's not your intention to disparage Sarah Palin, or her husband. So I don't think your "stay at home daddy" remark is very becoming of a so called "man of the cloth".

And in most cases where both the man and the woman work, it is out of necessity. I do not think this is right, but what are we to do?
I know the argument against this will be that we don't need so many worldly goods, but that is not always the case.

I think it goes without saying that the morality of this and others Countries are quickly sliding down the proverbial "slippery slope". All we can do is witness, and vote for leaders with the same beliefs as ours.

John McCain is not my favorite choice, but he is heads and shoulders above the Democratic choice.

We must strive to adhere to the teachings of our chosen "Higher Power" and treat each other as we would like to be treated. As said before, our actions should speak louder than words.

Godspeed,
Choctaw

Dear sir, as you know only through Jesus Christ and GOD the father do we truly have freedom. I am not blind, deaf, or dumb because I have the scriptures and Jesus in me. I would never deny you your right to compromise with the world, and I would defend to the death your rights. Just remember a friend of the world is not a friend of our Lord and Savior. To quote Jesus " The world hated me first, and so it shall hate you also", " look up your redemption draws close, be of good cheer". You sir will have to stand in front of Jesus some day and say, " I was just trying to adapt the world to me, and my belief in the scriptures", " I made my judgements and used my wisdom".
If it does not line up with Scripture it is as straw in the fire and shall be burnt up. I am hardcore and I will never give in, or give up. I do believe we can turn it around, but not by deciet, compromise, or chosing the lesser of two evils. Think about it real hard do you really think GOD is going to change the plan by what you think it should be, or becuase you choose to compromise with the world rather than GOD. All the answers are in the Scriptures and yes a woman can most certainly bring this Nation under GOD down. It was so with the ancient Children of Israel, again can you say diaspora (The dispersion of Jews outside of Israel from the sixth century b.c., when they were exiled to Babylonia, until the present time).
Hardcore Jesusfreak