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Biden's Gun-Ban Connection / Sarah Palin would be one of the most pro-gun vice-p

Biden's Gun-Ban Connection

The Obama/Biden ticket is the most anti-gun presidential campaign in recent memory. In Obama, you have a former board member of the Joyce Foundation who steered millions of dollars towards gun-control groups. He's touted his support for bans on handguns and a 500 percent increase on taxes for guns and ammunition, and has called for bans on ammunition (including some of the most popular hunting ammunition).

His running mate, Joe Biden, is a career anti-gun politician. Remember 1994? Remember those dark days when the Clinton administration and their cronies in Congress banned semi-automatic firearms based entirely on cosmetic features? Guess who was one of those most responsible for that gun ban? None other than Joe Biden.

Biden has consistently voted against your Second Amendment rights as a U.S. senator, and Obama's made it clear that his vision of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is meaningless. This pair, if elected, would be the biggest threat to your firearm freedoms in decades, and that's with the recent decision in the Heller case. We can't afford to stay home on Election Day, and we can't afford to stay silent between now and then. It's our job to speak up and speak out about the Obama/Biden ticket so that every gun owner is aware of what's at stake ... nothing less than the continued exercise of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

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Sarah Palin and Joe Biden: Worlds Apart

Friday, August 29, 2008

Even before this week, the difference between Barack Obama and John McCain was clear. For one, McCain joined more than 300 other members of Congress in signing a "friend of the court" brief, in District of Columbia v. Heller, urging the Supreme Court to rule in favor of the Second Amendment and against D.C.'s handgun ban.

Obama refused to sign the Heller brief, and supports reinstituting the Clinton gun and magazine ban. He also supports Ted Kennedy's bill to ban semi-automatic handguns in the guise of "micro-stamping," and supports banning inexpensive handguns as "junk guns."

But now that each candidate has chosen his running mate, the difference is even clearer than before. And when it comes to guns, the two prospective vice-presidents are as far apart as the states from which they hail.

Sen. McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is a NRA Life Member and hunter who says, "I support our Constitutional right to bear arms and am a proponent of gun safety programs for Alaska's youth," adding "I have always strongly supported the personal use of fish and game by Alaskans. I grew up hunting and fishing in Alaska, and I am proud to raise my children with this same uniquely Alaskan heritage."

NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox says "Governor Palin doesn't just talk about supporting the Second Amendment, it's part of her life, and she did her part to vindicate the Second Amendment for all Americans when Alaska joined 30 other states in signing a legal brief supporting Heller's challenge to the D.C. gun-ban."

As for Joe Biden, from Delaware, the Brady Campaign sums it up in a straightforward enough fashion, saying, "Senator Biden has been a consistent supporter of the Brady Campaign," and "Senator Biden was a key player in the fight for the federal assault weapons ban that passed in 1994. He also worked hard for passage of the Brady Law (sic)."

In fact, Biden introduced an "assault weapons" ban in Congress five years before the Clinton gun and magazine ban was imposed. In 1989, Biden's Senate Bill 1970 proposed to ban the Colt AR-15 and eight similar firearms as "assault weapons," and authorize the Secretary of the Treasury (in reality, BATF) and the Attorney General to recommend to Congress any other firearms, regardless of type, to be banned as "additional assault weapons."

As lead sponsor of the Senate crime bill to which the Feinstein gun ban amendment was attached, Biden was instrumental in the passage of the 1994 Clinton gun and magazine ban. Biden reiterated his support for the ban—and, in fact, took credit for authoring it—in response to a question at the CNN/YouTube debate earlier this year (to view the video, please click here).

Biden voted for the ban on a stand-alone vote in 1993, and voted to extend the ban in 2004 as an amendment to the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act." He also included a renewal of the ban in his crime bill last year, along with gun show restrictions.

Currently, Biden's S. 2237 proposes to renew the Clinton ban on roughly 200 makes and models of semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns on the basis of things like the shape of their grips, and on ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, regardless of the kind of firearm in which they are used.

As if that's not enough, Biden voted against the law that prohibits lawsuits designed to bankrupt law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers. He also refused to sign the Congressional brief in Heller, and voted to confirm only one of the five justices who ruled in favor of the Second Amendment in Heller, yet he voted to confirm all four justices who voted against the Second Amendment in that case.

To put it simply, Gov. Sarah Palin would be one of the most pro-gun vice-presidents in American history, and Joe Biden would definitely be the most anti-gun.
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definately true guys, but the bible is fulfilling it's word everyday with this country becoming so liberal that my son will have to live with everything that is wrong with this country....I know we want to make everyone feel good now a days, but discipline has been so since the beginning of time... anyways , all of us gun owners will just have to start trading and buying them just like drugs. lol, sad...but true
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I just dont understand the logic. Drugs are illegal but nobody has a problem getting them. Guns will be the same way, only the people willing to break the law will have them. Criminals prefer unarmed victims and Obama/Biden are going to make sure we are all helpless victims.
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Anybody remember the German Chancellor Adolf Hitler? You know what he and the Nazi party implimented when they rose to power? Thats right, they took away the guns. Why, so no group of people could rise up against the new governement.
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Anybody remember the German Chancellor Adolf Hitler? You know what he and the Nazi party implimented when they rose to power? Thats right, they took away the guns. Why, so no group of people could rise up against the new governement.
There is a lot to be said about your statement.
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Anybody remember the German Chancellor Adolf Hitler? You know what he and the Nazi party implimented when they rose to power? Thats right, they took away the guns. Why, so no group of people could rise up against the new governement.
Sad but true, it could happen here.
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There is a lot to be said about your statement.
Its almost scary how bad it is. IMHO For reasons like this, the nazi's taking the guns away, and things of this sort, is why all the liberals get PO'ed when in debate and someone talks about something from the past. They defend and come back with some form of, well thats the past and this is now, lets think about the future. IMHO its so that the average person has his mind set on the future, so they do not go back and research the past (ie. study history on there own so they dont get brainwashed by liberal teachers), so they cant stumble upon things like this. I may be wrong, but thats my theory.

Here is a question for everybody, just out of curiosity. Might wanna put your tin foil hat on, but how many of you are willing to die to defend your RIGHT to own and bear arms? I dont even hesitate to say that I am. More and more, I see some sort of revolution coming..........
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They will have MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY MY COLD DEAD FINGERS OFF THEM AND I MEAN IT, COLD DEAD FINGERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They will have MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY MY COLD DEAD FINGERS OFF THEM AND I MEAN IT, COLD DEAD FINGERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That pretty well sums up my feelings!
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they can come take mine, but they will only get one bullet at a time...
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