My plan for the economy

[rankroddin250]

This is a theretical plan I have made up to boost the short and long term economy in the united states. Let here your ideas. apparantly congress is to stupid to come up with any thing.

First raise the national minimum wage to a livable wage say in the $12.00 an hour range.

stop relying on asian countrys to produce all of our consumer products build factories in the united states creating more jobs for americans the cost of production should be curbed by the savings of not having to import everything.

landfills? burn the trash for power, the No2 and Co2 can be filtered through alge ponds to create pure oxygen and the alge flurishes and can be harvested for bio fuels. also exhisting land fills can be tapped for methane gas wich can also be burned for power.



Close the borders. deport the elegals opening more job oportunities to Americans. If they want to become U.S. citizens? fine! they can sign up, join the military and after 8 years of active duty they have earned the right to be an American.

Drill our own oil and USE IT! what oil we curently drill here we sell to other countries WTF?!?!?

ban tobaco products. this will save 1 in 2 americans an average of $5 a day! also those people will be healthier and live longer decreasing their need for heath care. also a pack of cigarettes has probly as many harmfull emisions as my truck!


give farmers money to grow renewable crops that can be converted into bio fuels. they pay them money not to farm and turn farm fields back to CRP (county registerd prairy) why not pay them money to GROW SOMETHING!


require all welfare and food stamp recipients to take regular drug screens. I have to do this at my job to be alowed to work for my money they should be required to do this to recieve money not to work.

make the saduis fund their own military to protect their sand box. the only thing that the United States has accomplished in this war is piss off all of the middle east, and we have bankrupted our entire Country in the process. what do we get for protecting the saduis oil fields and liberating the iraqi people? we get to pay twice as much for their oil!!!! CUT THEM OFF!!!! If they want us to stay there its about time we recieved some restitution.

to be continued...

Ill post more later. lets hear your ideas and coments.

[CoalRollinRoosterCruiser]

i like yur plan!!

[rdc]

Originally Posted by rankroddin250

This is a theretical plan I have made up to boost the short and long term economy in the united states. Let here your ideas. apparantly congress is to stupid to come up with any thing.

First raise the national minimum wage to a livable wage say in the $12.00 an hour range.

stop relying on asian countrys to produce all of our consumer products build factories in the united states creating more jobs for americans the cost of production should be curbed by the savings of not having to import everything.

landfills? burn the trash for power, the No2 and Co2 can be filtered through alge ponds to create pure oxygen and the alge flurishes and can be harvested for bio fuels. also exhisting land fills can be tapped for methane gas wich can also be burned for power.



Close the borders. deport the elegals opening mor job oportunities to americans.

Drill our own oil and USE IT! what oil we curently drill here we sell to other countries WTF?!?!?

ban tobaco products. this will save 1 in 2 americans an average of $5 a day! also those people will be healthier and live longer decreasing their need for heath care. also a pack of cigarettes has probly as many harmfull emisions as my truck!


give farmers money to grow renewable crops that can be converted into bio fuels. they pay them money not to farm and turn farm fields back to CRP (county registerd prairy) why not pay them money to GROW SOMETHING!




to be continued...

ill post more later. im off to work guys lets hear your ideas also.

Well, thanks for posting a plan! I agree with parts of it. I'll list the items
I disagree with (respectfully).

1) Raise the minimum wage - I'm opposed to this. I think products and
services (including labor) should be market-driven. The value of a service,
and the availability of that service, should determine the price. If no one
is willing to perform a service for the going rate, the rate will go up.
(This assumes no illegals are present and willing to undercut the rate
setting process.)

2) Off-shore manufacturing - This is also a supply and demand issue. If
we can't produce the goods in this country at a price the consumers are
willing to pay, then the companies will logically seek ways to reduce the
costs (including cheaper labor). Unless you impose regulations on companies
forbidding them to outsource their labor, or otherwise apply dis-incentives
to the practice, this is a perfectly logical solution from the companies
perspective. Protectionism has it's downsides.

3) Use our own oil, forbid exporting - Same problems as item 2). We are
a free market society. Producers have the right to sell their product
wherever they can make the best return on investment (most profit).
It might be worthwhile to subsidize oil producers to provide incentive to
keep the product in the U.S., but we the people still have to pay for
that subsidy.

4) Ban tobacco - I'm against that, for the same reasons that I am FOR
the decriminalization of all drugs. Treat people as adults, make them
responsible for their own decisions, and stop bailing them out when
they make mistakes. Someone gets hooked on drugs and loses their
job, home, family, etc, well that is certainly tragic, but it is definitely
cause and effect. The individual should live (or die) with the consequences,
without any intervention or interference from the government.

I mean no disrespect to you, I just disagree with portions of your plan.
However, it IS a plan - something I haven't seen from congress.

[cja7928]

Originally Posted by itsaleftlanething

How bout also adding-- converting to a government funded heathcare system. I.e., we the american public dont pay a dime.:

The government would just take the money from us. I dont think the goverment or the public should fund any handouts otherwise what insentive is there to get a job and earn your own way. We should get rid of welfare, foodstamps healthcare.. all of that. The only hand out should be unemployment so that people that were working can stay on their feet until they find another job.

[cja7928]

Originally Posted by rdc

Well, thanks for posting a plan! I agree with parts of it. I'll list the items
I disagree with (respectfully).

1) Raise the minimum wage - I'm opposed to this. I think products and
services (including labor) should be market-driven. The value of a service,
and the availability of that service, should determine the price. If no one
is willing to perform a service for the going rate, the rate will go up.
(This assumes no illegals are present and willing to undercut the rate
setting process.)

2) Off-shore manufacturing - This is also a supply and demand issue. If
we can't produce the goods in this country at a price the consumers are
willing to pay, then the companies will logically seek ways to reduce the
costs (including cheaper labor). Unless you impose regulations on companies
forbidding them to outsource their labor, or otherwise apply dis-incentives
to the practice, this is a perfectly logical solution from the companies
perspective. Protectionism has it's downsides.

3) Use our own oil, forbid exporting - Same problems as item 2). We are
a free market society. Producers have the right to sell their product
wherever they can make the best return on investment (most profit).
It might be worthwhile to subsidize oil producers to provide incentive to
keep the product in the U.S., but we the people still have to pay for
that subsidy.

4) Ban tobacco - I'm against that, for the same reasons that I am FOR
the decriminalization of all drugs. Treat people as adults, make them
responsible for their own decisions, and stop bailing them out when
they make mistakes. Someone gets hooked on drugs and loses their
job, home, family, etc, well that is certainly tragic, but it is definitely
cause and effect. The individual should live (or die) with the consequences,
without any intervention or interference from the government.

I mean no disrespect to you, I just disagree with portions of your plan.
However, it IS a plan - something I haven't seen from congress.

on the money.

except on the oil thing we should get the epa out of the way drill and use what we got (self sufficient) at the same time set a mandate that by a certain date this country will be running on algea bio or electricity or whatever.

[CoalRollinRoosterCruiser]

Post misunderstood

[cja7928]

Originally Posted by itsaleftlanething

No, i didn't mean them just take it from us.


I mean we need the setup similar to what they have in other countrys, with a free healthcare system.

I suppose its possible, you would have to regulate what doctors and such can charge - keep the prices reasonable. I still dont like the idea that some jobless crack dealer could walk into a hospital and get free healthcare.. the money to pay for that has to come from somewhere.

[CoalRollinRoosterCruiser]

Post misunderstood

[rdc]

Originally Posted by itsaleftlanething

No, i didn't mean them just take it from us.


I mean we need the setup similar to what they have in other countrys, with a free healthcare system.
Because at the moment our healthcare system absolutely sucks big donkey nuts.

People with insurance through HMO's and the likes, that pay into the system for years and years, and then get denied surgerys, and the likes because its too expensive, or because they didn't get approved for it is absolute BS.

If someone is sick, and needs care, they ought to be able to get it.

Well, from what I've read and seen reported on TV (not a reliable source, I know), the European health care system is worth exactly what the consumer pays for it. (Nothing). Likewise with the Canadian system (no disrespect intended to our members up North). People from those countries come HERE if they can to get quality care. As for being denied coverage by your
insurance company, again, it is a free-market society. Those insurance
carriers that provide the best coverage (and stay in business while doing it) will obtain the largest customer base. I think you'd be hard pressed to
demonstrate that government interference in the process produces positive
results. Bad publicity and public opinion, and free market choice are very effective, on the other hand.

[cja7928]

Originally Posted by itsaleftlanething

Doctors wouldn't charge anything.

I'm talking the healthcare systems where the goverment pays the doctors, and nurses's and hospitals, and when you need care, you just walk in, and are able to get it.

Yea but the government gets its money from the IRS which gets its money from us, or should I say those of us that have jobs. So in the end when you boil it down those of us that work and pay taxes indirectly end up paying the health care costs for everyone. I see what your sayin and it would be good and all but if lazy people get a welfare check and free health care why should they get a job? and how long til the welfare healthcare recipients out number the working class who is bearing the load. eventually the camels back will break.