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post #1 of 13 Old 06-10-2013, 05:15 PM Thread Starter
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Gov't Spying on Americans

So what does everyone think about this crap? Verizon and Multiple companies including Google giving the gov't access to email, phone calls etc without a warrant or subpoena. They can jump in and out of servers, undetected. Even monitor in real time. And don't for a second it's "only for terrorism". They ARE looking at content. I don't care what his Heinous says.

Personally, I think everyone involved needs to be tried for treason, for violating one of our most basic rights, and be punished under the full extent of treason law .


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Sadly, unless it goes before the SCOTUS, it doesn't mean much. I don't know why, but the Legislature is allowed to pass laws that blatantly defy the Constitution. What they did fall within the realm of law, just not within the realm of the Constitution. This should be treated as a reminder that the two don't always agree with each other, but it won't. There are far too many people in the US willing and ready to let others defend them, as opposed to taking their individual safety more personal (as is the only way it exists).

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Big brother has always been watching, this is nothing new.


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Nope, it's just new for them to claim it's legitimate. And to say it exists, but one thing at a time.

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Should have looked closer at that cell phone contract then

The Internet was literally invented by and for the military to send messages to one another, just Kause your on it don't mean it's private

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HAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!! You said tax dollars and work in the same sentence.

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Should have looked closer at that cell phone contract then

The Internet was literally invented by and for the military to send messages to one another, just Cause your on it don't mean it's private
Ironically, my wife is a fraud investigator for Verizon. Her dept. works with the FBI and LE to nail actual fraudsters, not 351fifty whose just minding his own business. It's one thing for a company to do snooping if it believes fraud or crime has been committed, but it's entirely another for the gov't to carte blanche spy on 300+ million people without cause.

And while "Prizm" and the other spy programs have been around for awhile now, doesn't make it any more right and no less a TOTAL violation of the 4th amend. The apathetic attitude of "well, you should have read" or "This is nothing new" is precisely the reason why it is happening and continues to happen.

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I don't know why, but the Legislature is allowed to pass laws that blatantly defy the Constitution.
That's because we under Legislative and Judicial tyranny in this country. But I suspect that this isn't the type site to go in depth on the subject. If it doesn't affect our beloved Powerstrokes, then it doesn't matter as much, I guess.

For a website that 's so gung ho, buy American, I'm a little surprised at the lack of discussion considering that this has come out into the clear light of day and finally revealed to the public. This is huge IMO. We've actually arrived George Orwell's' 1984.

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Not saying t isn't new information (which it isn't) or that it does not violate the constitution (which it does) but in all honesty, I don't mind the govt watching what people talk about, I have nothing to hide, nor do I engauge in any kind of espionage activities, but I really don't mind a few people getting black bagged and "disappearing" with no trace for having planned publically an execution of someone with the power to run this kind of "counter-terrorism" and I would use this term loosely, btw most everyone you know has a biography in a file cabinet somewhere they didnt know about because everyone is a suspect

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