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post #1 of 32 Old 02-20-2013, 11:08 AM Thread Starter
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Biden spoke again

"Just buy a shotgun"

Paraphrasing: "You don't need 30 rounds, you don't need an AR15, they're harder to aim anyway. Just buy a shotgun. As I told my wife. "If there's trouble, just grab our double barrel and fire two rounds off the balcony. Anyone that wants in will leave, because the sound is scary". Just buy a shotgun people."

First off, he's an idiot, and we know this. Rifles are better for defense. Rifles are better for everything but concealed carry and shooting flying birds. But, I digress. I'm just throwing up the info to start the bickering process.

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I'm not going to get involved in the politics but I would rather my wife use a shotgun for defense.. You say a rifle is better and I agree in some instances but in close quarters I would take shotgun. Even the worst shot can hit somebody with a shotgun short range

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to each their own but everyone owning shotguns isn't gonna be any better

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No, not really. The spread on a shot gun requires aiming, just like a rifle. At 1" per yard, the spread isn't as magical as some believe. The bonus is more holes per trigger pull. That is great. The downside is slow follow-up shots, and magazine capacity. If only one, maybe two guys are trying to get at her, a shotgun will be fine. Planning for worst case would be several fearless crackheads. A shotgun would get a couple, but again, slow follow up shots and low capacity. Good hunting ammunition in a rifle cartridge would give great expansion, as well as 30+ fast follow up shots without a reload. Reloads are also quicker.

I don't think shotguns are worthless in the defense role, they do have a part, and I have one at the ready. A carbine is my go-to though. Shorter, lighter, less recoil, more rounds.

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I forgot to take into account if hoards of crack heads came in. I also didn't account for the possibility of zombies cause in that case you'd want a sword to detach the head... Or if a burglar was trying to scratch my eyes out I would want to make sure I had nail clippers at the ready. You can never win in a gun argument. I should have not said anything.

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Wasn't trying to come across as a jerk, just add some humor and back out of the conversation. Carry on!

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Not at all, I appreciate your input. If you truly feel a shotgun is best for your circumstance, who am I to argue. I just don't like blanket statements such as what Biden made saying that the shotgun is superior for all. It's not. I agree that it does have a role, it's just not the best for everyone.

I base my opinions on research and application. That's not to say that my opinion is the only right one, it's still an opinion.

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Blasting a shotgun pop aint gonna do nothing against the gun carrying lifeless criminals breaking into your home.

Everytime Biden speaks a word he becomes more dumb and the people around him become less knowledgable.

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Just remember that when you start blazin .223 or .308 through your home that it will not stop in drywall. My choice will be my shotgun first also, but keep frangible in my mags for home defense!
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Biden, what you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...
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