obama health care email

[excursionMark]

just figured id post the latest email about the healthcare reform i got from obama (i have one of my emails on the mailing list for a few people in politics just to see what theyre tossing around) so here it is ...

"As we head into the final stretch on health reform, big insurance company lobbyists and their partisan allies hope that their relentless attacks and millions of dollars can intimidate us into accepting the status quo.

So I have a message for them, from all of us: Not this time. We have come too far. We will not turn back. We will not back down.

But do not doubt -- the opponents of reform will not rest. So I need you, the members of Organizing for America, to fight alongside me.

We must continue to build out our campaign -- to spread the facts on the air and on the ground, and to bring in more volunteers and train them to join the fight. I urgently need your help to keep Organizing for America's 50-state movement for reform going strong.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford today:

https://donate.barackobama.com/FinalStretch

Let's win this together,

President Barack Obama"

short sweet to the point ... read discuss and post your opinions about this email and the healthcare reform in general

[choctaw]

I get the same **** e-mails. Pretty bad when the President of the US has to solicit and BEG for money from his supposed supporters. Like I'm going to contribute.

Healthcare reform as presented to us in this bill is wrong and unconstitutional. End of discussion.

[excursionMark]

Originally Posted by choctaw

I get the same **** e-mails. Pretty bad when the President of the US has to solicit and BEG for money from his supposed supporters. Like I'm going to contribute.

Healthcare reform as presented to us in this bill is wrong and unconstitutional. End of discussion.

well that method and going through congress are teo of the not so many methods in which he can get money ... but i agree it does make him seem desperate... and just curious as to why you think the bill is unconstitutional ... not saying i disagree just saying i would like to see your reasoning.

[choctaw]

Healthcare is a privilege an not a Constitutional right...is that good enough.

[westcoaststrokin]

Originally Posted by excursionMark

and just curious as to why you think the bill is unconstitutional ... not saying i disagree just saying i would like to see your reasoning.

Well here are the powers of Congress as laid out in the constitution. I don't see anything about health care or the environment or most of the other crap they force upon us in there.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

[excursionMark]

Originally Posted by choctaw

Healthcare is a privilege an not a Constitutional right...is that good enough.

if im not mistaken nor is education just saying

Originally Posted by westcoaststrokin

Well here are the powers of Congress as laid out in the constitution. I don't see anything about health care or the environment or most of the other crap they force upon us in there.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

thats what i was looking for thanks Josh

[choctaw]

Originally Posted by excursionMark

if im not mistaken nor is education just saying



thats what i was looking for thanks Josh

And your point is...? Do you just like to argue with me? What's the difference in what Josh posted and the simple fact that I stated?

[Zytek_Fan]

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Whoops that one was given to a private bank

[excursionMark]

Originally Posted by choctaw

And your point is...?there are a decent amount of things that we are afforded that arent in the constitution Do you just like to argue with me? no What's the difference in what Josh posted and the simple fact that I stated? Josh's post gave more info for those who dont know the points of the argument

i dont like to argue with any1 i just like to have all info from all sides if possible

[excursionMark]

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

Whoops that one was given to a private bank

i agree that is messed up ... but looking at the history of it, it shows how much our gov is in the sack with some industries and companies