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I chose a benign title for a reason. I have voiced my frustration before that more don't pay attention to what is happening to our nation, don't get involved then lose. Then I ran across the following quote:

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
Sun Tzu
I have started reading and researching Sun Tzu recently. When I came across this quote it reminded me of the libs/socialist/fascist duping the public.

Anyways, if you haven't read anything on Sun Tzu, check him out.
Art of War by SunTzu [SunZi] -English Hypertext

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"When strong, appear weak. When weak, appear strong."
-- also from Sun Tzu, The Art of War.


Another quote that is relevant today - thanks, especially to the Kool Aid drinkers following our imperial socialist messiah - comes from Spanish philosopher George Santayana: "They who ignore history are destined to repeat it."



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All warfare is based on deception.
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Our dear leader had this one down didn't he

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I think he's shot himself in the foot overall. His deathwatch plan didn't get rammed through as he would have liked. Now congress has gone home and has to listen to the people. If something passes now, there will be a huge turnover in 10, and it will be much less than he wants. I'm not sure it will fly right now. It very well could be his Waterloo.

This also gives the sheeple time to learn the truth.

I'm just in an optomistic mood right now. We're still in deep trouble, and this mood will pass.

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I think he's shot himself in the foot overall. His deathwatch plan didn't get rammed through as he would have liked. Now congress has gone home and has to listen to the people. If something passes now, there will be a huge turnover in 10, and it will be much less than he wants. I'm not sure it will fly right now. It very well could be his Waterloo.

This also gives the sheeple time to learn the truth.

I'm just in an optomistic mood right now. We're still in deep trouble, and this mood will pass.
The way I understand it, the provision for end of life counseling only mandates that insurance will pay for that discussion with your doctor not that you have to have it. The insurance companies are spending millions to muddy this debate and preserve their obscene profits.
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The way I understand it, the provision for end of life counseling only mandates that insurance will pay for that discussion with your doctor not that you have to have it. The insurance companies are spending millions to muddy this debate and preserve their obscene profits.
The way it was explained to us. Was if you are over 65 and have an injury that could be life threatening. You get you counseling and whatever pain meds are necessary to make you comfortable. NO other treatment.

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The way it was explained to us. Was if you are over 65 and have an injury that could be life threatening. You get you counseling and whatever pain meds are necessary to make you comfortable. NO other treatment.
Explained by who? This is the problem, a lot of what's going around out there is mis-information put out by the insurance industry or their surrogates. I am sure that there is a lot in these bills that I don't agree with but I would like to read them and form my own opinion and not be influenced by hysteria and hype from people who have not read them.
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Explained by who? This is the problem, a lot of what's going around out there is mis-information put out by the insurance industry or their surrogates. I am sure that there is a lot in these bills that I don't agree with but I would like to read them and form my own opinion and not be influenced by hysteria and hype from people who have not read them.
A group supported by the American Medical Association actually. I dont remember the speakers name. I can find out tomorrow though

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I think he's shot himself in the foot overall. His deathwatch plan didn't get rammed through as he would have liked. Now congress has gone home and has to listen to the people. If something passes now, there will be a huge turnover in 10, and it will be much less than he wants. I'm not sure it will fly right now. It very well could be his Waterloo.
I could not agree more with your assertions ^

This also gives the sheeple time to learn the truth.
I am assuming this is a reference from Micheal Savage? I listen to the good doctor any time the opportunity presents itself.
I'm just in an optomistic mood right now. We're still in deep trouble, and this mood will pass. I agree we are in deep trouble, but the current events and the light being shone on the creatures gives me great hope, and I don't know about this mood passing away. I don't recall who said it on the radio today, but they made mention of the politicians this time waking a sleeping giant.
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The way I understand it, the provision for end of life counseling only mandates that insurance will pay for that discussion with your doctor not that you have to have it. The insurance companies are spending millions to muddy this debate and preserve their obscene profits.
Obscene profits? Who are you to decide this? I don't like the salaries pro athletes get but I would not be in favor of limiting or taxing them more. We are after all a free market economy. And what do you rake in? What if someone making 10K thinks your income is obscene and a group of politicians agree and say let's limit or take away ol' Mono's income?

I think if the libs want to limit income we start with theirs. pelosi, feinstein, reid, durbin, kennedy.............they forfiet their income first.......and i might give the thought a nano-second of my time.

Concerning the health care / mandatory end of life counseling:
I found 2 contradictory links so I am downloading the bill. Give me some time and I will try to provide a definitive answer.

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Obscene profits? Who are you to decide this? I don't like the salaries pro athletes get but I would not be in favor of limiting or taxing them more. We are after all a free market economy. And what do you rake in? What if someone making 10K thinks your income is obscene and a group of politicians agree and say let's limit or take away ol' Mono's income?

I think if the libs want to limit income we start with theirs. pelosi, feinstein, reid, durbin, kennedy.............they forfiet their income first.......and i might give the thought a nano-second of my time.

Concerning the health care / mandatory end of life counseling:
I found 2 contradictory links so I am downloading the bill. Give me some time and I will try to provide a definitive answer.

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At least with pro athletes we can choose to not watch them or purchase the products they endorse. Everybody needs health care. I don't like the idea of the govt making medical decisions for me, I also don't like Wall Street making them which is what we have now. Wall Street hedge funds and banks who control the insurance industry are demanding more of a return on their investment and they are getting them by denying claims, dropping coverage on higher risk groups(older people) and increasing deductibles. Insurance co. profits are going up at a rapid rate and the system is inherently unfair because the people who are responsible and purchase health insurance are picking up the tab for those who choose not to. We need a system where everybody is in or nobody is. I can't stand Obama but I do agree with him that doing nothing is not an option. The dems and reps need to quit playing political games and come up with a bill that offers true reform.
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