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Hate Crimes Legislation

This is one of those articles you may want read and not just casually pass on and just comment carelessly.

You may want to chose this issue as a "battle to fight".

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Sometime on Monday Senator Leahy (D-Vermont) had his office put out a press release confirming his intention to try smuggling S.909, the Hate Crime Bill, through the Senate by attaching it to the National Defense Authorization bill this week – some reports say today, others Thursday.

It is worth looking though this admittedly flatulent document to be reminded that the intention here is not merely to privilege the homosexual community. The bill will also widen the ability to favor the groups set on a pedestal by earlier Federal legislation:

by making it easier for Federal authorities to investigate and prosecute crimes of racial, ethnic, or religious violence. Victims will no longer have to engage in a narrow range of activities, such as serving as a juror, to be protected under Federal law

Furthermore it will provide tax dollars to favored vigilante groups

In addition, the hate crimes amendment will provide assistance and resources to state, local, and tribal law enforcement to address hate crimes

Unquestionably these will turn round and buy indoctrination kits from the ADL and the $PLC.

Moreover, by citing cases such as the recent Holocaust Museum shooting and the Matthew Shepard murder, which can be quite adequately punished under existing law, Leahy makes crystal clear that the intention here is to criminalize opinion - albeit opportunistically at present by starting with situations where the heretic has committed an objective crime.

There is no telling where this will lead.

But this stratagem stems from weakness. If the Democrats believed this legislation was broadly popular, they would force it through by itself and reap a triumph. Instead they have limited hearings on this sweepingly radical measure to two hours (Leahy insolently claims this was “adequate discussion”) and then launched it onto the maelstrom of the Defense Authorization pig-out. For good reason, this horrified a pro-bill correspondent at the Daily Kos in June

I just got a phone call from a well placed source on Capital Hill that confirmed that the hate crimes bill currently before the Senate will be added to the Defense Authorization Bill. Remember how well that worked out for us last time? Congressmembers can use our lives to bargain for bombs and defense spending instead of simply affirming our dignity as human beings worthy of safety from persecution and violence if hate crimes are added to the defense authorization.

Seeing how this news has spread has been very instructive. The Rev. Ted Pike was rapidly in the field with an email alert, picked up by some Christian oriented websites. One or two others have published independent commentaries, often drawing attention to the magisterial work of Professor Robert Gagnon – for instance here and here.

Apart from a brief reference in a NY Times blog, nothing in the MSM. And from those valiant champions of the Conservative cause, the National Review, Weekly Standard, Wall Street Journal , American Spectator –zero. Sadly even what used to be a staunch defender of freedom, LewRockwell.com, seems to have taken no editorial position – although one or two of its bloggers have made cryptic comments. Needless to say, the plutocrats of the immigration reform movement, NumbersUSA, FAIR and CIS, remain silent.

Normally I would put this down to the intellectual and financial influence of the Neoconservatives. But a sympathetic observer has suggested that homosexual forces might also culpable. I do not know what to make of that. I do know that failure to get this legislation through would be a shattering blow to the left, so that the lack of simple partisan enterprise is peculiar.

What is clear, however, is that this week the anti-bill response has been dwarfed by an explosion in the homosexual blogosphere with calls to telephone Senators for the bill outnumbering appeals for opposition by perhaps four to one (based on my Google News Alert feeds).

Consequently the Rev. Ted Pike sadly put out PRO-HATE BILL CALLS FLOOD SENATE! 14 July 09

NPN’s poll for early afternoon EDT on Tuesday, July 14, shows calls in favor of the hate bill significantly outnumber calls against it in both Democrat and Republican offices.

Personally, I think there is still a chance. As OpenCongress.org says, even after the amendment is attached, there are a lot of steps left and a lot of other interests to be accommodated – that is why the Daily Kos correspondent was so perturbed. Furthermore the anti bill forces tend to be slow to react. Unlike the Gays, they generally to have families to deal with, and are in fact not motivated by hate – it took a week and more before Holder’s damning testimony began to be widely circulated.

But the threat hanging over us is indeed desperately serious. As Professor Gagnon says in
Why a Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity “Hate Crimes” Law Is Bad for You

This “hate crimes” bill is the proverbial foot in the door or camel nose in the tent

And the people behind it have a much wider agenda. They want to shut down political debate on a wide range of topics – and they been appallingly successful in Canada, the UK and much of Europe. And generally, the motives are what The Kvetcher bravely identifies with respect to his own community in a posting on Jewcy
The Blood of Some is Sweeter Than the Blood of Others July 14 2009

I can’t believe that as a NYC Jew, I am turning to a group called “Bikers4Freedom” to make the case against expanded Hate Crimes laws. But unfortunately, Jewish groups are not challenging these bills. Rather, Jewish groups like the ADL are the very worst offenders.


The Kvetcher continues:

What is the ADL defending against? Fairness. When it comes to policy, the ADL is not content to fight mistreatment of Jews…the ADL fights for selective treatment of Jews. That’s not the behavior of a “defense” group. That’s the behavior of a supremacist group. The ADL obsesses over haters because it takes one to know one.


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Dems sneaking 'hate crimes' through on soldiers' bill?
Piggybacking controversial act onto military funding legislation
Posted: July 15, 2009
11:35 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Democrats are expected to sneak the hate crimes bill through the Senate as early as tomorrow after they offered it as an amendment to the Defense Authorization bill.

The Senate approved the same hate crime legislation last year as part of the military funding bill, but it was never reconciled with the House's bill.

The current House version – H.R. 1913, or the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 – was passed April 29 and referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary.

Now the Senate is considering the military appropriations bill, or S.1390, and the Senate "hate crimes" act, or S. 909, may be passed as an amendment soon.

The "hate crimes" legislation now faces its best chance in years to become federal law.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., announced Senate consideration of S.909, or the "Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act" on Tuesday.

"For the last decade, Matthew Shepard's name has been associated with hate crimes. When this bill passes, his name will thereafter be associated with justice," Reid said, according to a Politico report.

Sen. John McCain, R.-Ariz, blasted the hate crimes amendment today, saying it is unrelated to the defense bill.

"The hate-crimes bill is not without controversy," McCain said, according to a CQ Today report. "This is a complete abdication of the responsibilities of the Judiciary Committee, but more importantly could hang up this bill for a long period of time while we have young Americans fighting and dying in two wars."

Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., has now signed on as one of more than 45 co-sponsors of the act, the Minneapolis Post reported.

"The overwhelming majority of Americans know that these protections are long overdue," Sen. Franken said. "No American should suffer because of their gender or sexual orientation, and no law enforcement official should be denied the necessary resources to prosecute their case. Minnesotans have a strong sense of justice, and no tolerance for hate. It’s time our laws reflect our convictions."

The hate crimes legislation adds gender, gender identity and sexual orientation to a list of protected categories under federal hate crimes law.

As WND reported, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder admitted a homosexual activist who is attacked following a Christian minister's sermon about homosexuality would be protected by the proposed federal law, but a minister attacked by a homosexual wouldn't be.

The revelations came from Holder's June testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was taking comments on the so-called "hate crimes" proposal. It also was the subject of discussion on talk radio icon Rush Limbaugh's July 3 show.

"This is the question," Limbaugh said. "[Sen.] Jeff Sessions [R-Ala.] presents a hypothetical where a minister gives a sermon, quotes the Bible about homosexuality and is thereafter attacked … by a gay activist because of what the minister said about his religious beliefs and what Scripture says about homosexuality. Is the minister protected?"

No, said Holder.

"Well, the statute would not – would not necessarily cover that. We're talking about crimes that have a historic basis. Groups who have been targeted for violence as a result of the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, that is what this statute tends – is designed to cover. We don't have the indication that the attack was motivated by a person's desire to strike at somebody who was in one of these protected groups. That would not be covered by the statute," Holder stated.

Continued Limbaugh, "In other words: ministers and whites are not covered by the hate crime statute because we're talking about crimes that have a historic basis, groups who have been targeted for violence as a result of their skin color, sexual orientation. So hate crimes are reserved exclusively for blacks and homosexuals. Everybody else can get to the back of the bus on this one."

As WND has reported, the House version would provide special protections to homosexuals, essentially designating them as a "protected class." However, it could leave Christian ministers open to prosecution should their teachings be linked to any subsequent offense, by anyone, against a homosexual person. The bill earned its nickname, "The Pedophile Protection Act," when Rep. Steve King suggested an amendment during its trek through the U.S. House that would specify pedophiles could not use the law to protect their activities.

Majority Democrats flatly refused.

Richard Land, of the Southern Baptist Convention
, has said such a law – by definition – requires judges to determine what those accused of crimes were thinking.

"This could create a chilling effect on religious speech, connecting innocent expression of religious belief to acts of violence against individuals afforded special protections," he wrote. "The criminalization of religious speech, such as speech against the practice of homosexuality, has already been seen in other countries with similar hate crimes legislation in place."

Limbaugh has also warned his audience about the advancing threat of "hate crimes" laws.

"Some people are going to be put in jail for things that they say," he said. "Hate crime legislation. That's where they determine what's in your mind when you commit a crime. That's when they decide what you were thinking … If you were thinking unapproved thoughts, that would make the crime you committed even worse."

President Obama, supported strongly during his campaign by homosexual advocates, has indicated that he would like to see the legislation become law.

"I urge members on both sides of the aisle to act on this important civil rights issue by passing this legislation to protect all of our citizens from violent acts of intolerance."

A now-concluded special Fed Ex campaign to warn U.S. Senate members of the dangers of the "hate crimes" plan dispatched more than 705,000 letters to senators.

The letter-writing effort was organized by WND columnist Janet Porter, who also heads the Faith2Action Christian ministry. It allowed citizens to send individually addressed letters to all 100 senators over their own "signature" for only $10.95.

Rick Scarborough of Vision America, Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association, Janet Porter of Faith2Action and many other opponents of hate crimes legislation have been urging voters to immediately contact their senators to oppose the plan.

Concerned individuals may e-mail their respective senators or call 1(877) 851-6437 or 1(202) 224-3121.

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A. I hated Al Franken as a comic, as a lawmaker, I hate him even more.
B. This will be pushed through as all the media is worried about how Michael Jackson died rather than telling the public how our rights are being stripped from us faster than any of us can think.
C. Did I mention we're screwed?
D. All hail our great messiah and dictator Pres. Obama.
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A. I hated Al Franken as a comic, as a lawmaker, I hate him even more. He's a fake POS
B. This will be pushed through as all the media is worried about how Michael Jackson died rather than telling the public how our rights are being stripped from us faster than any of us can think. That's the obama plan, help the media dupe the public. The other issue with this is that there just isn't any interest from most Americans about what happens to this country as long as they can still watch Survivor
C. Did I mention we're screwed? That may be an understatement
D. All hail our great messiah and dictator Pres. Obama.
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First Ventura, now Franken. what else you have up your sleeve there, Minnesota? But you still can't beat Illinois and the messiah.
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Old 07-17-2009, 04:41 AM
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First Ventura, now Franken. what else you have up your sleeve there, Minnesota? But you still can't beat Illinois and the messiah.
I think alec baldwin will be close, and heck he may go to Minnesota
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This is just more "round-up" legislation. You have to have some excuse to fill up those nice new and soon-to be-built FEMA camps.

I am not going... Are you???

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Do not get me started on that idiot Al Franken. While Jesse Ventura was kind of an idiot too. We did get some good things out of him for a short time. Reduced rates on Motor Vehicle licensing for one. At least 50% of MN was smart. There was only a 300 vote difference between Norm Coleman and Al Franken
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Won't this contradict our free speech amendment? Or should we start calling it "limited free speech"?
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How many senators will actually read this bill?
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How many senators will actually read this bill?
You know, somebody actually had to MAKE a bill saying that EVERY bill HAS to be read. WTF kind of crap is that, a bill that tells them to do their job
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