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Old 06-25-2009, 03:37 PM
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What do you think about this?

I'm a big opponent to illegal immigration, but this MIGHT be a good way to wed the good people from the bad people. What do you guys think about it, especially those of you that use immigrants for farm/ranch work or whatever else. Do you think that numbers are as high as they say, for the people that ocme here to work temp jobs then want to go back to MX?

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Old 06-25-2009, 04:28 PM
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I'm a big opponent to illegal immigration, but this MIGHT be a good way to wed the good people from the bad people. What do you guys think about it, especially those of you that use immigrants for farm/ranch work or whatever else. Do you think that numbers are as high as they say, for the people that ocme here to work temp jobs then want to go back to MX?

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I have experienced first hand the difficulties in finding legal seasonal workers, I have also seen how difficult it is for workers to get legal. It typically takes 5-7 years on a waiting list to even have the opportunity to begin wading through the inefficient govt. bureaucracy. It is absolutely true that most illegals would return to Mexico if it wasn't so difficult to get back into the states. I have personally heard this sentiment many times from illegal workers. They miss their families and homes and it is easier to smuggle their families into the U.S. than to make the journey back across the border(where they are heavily exploited on both sides) This leads to even further illegal immigration. I like the idea of letting the private sector run a program like this because the govt. would surely f##k it up, and spend billions. The truth is most Mexicans really like Mexico, where they can speak their own language, and receive inexpensive health care from their own govt, but they don't go back because of the hassles associated with getting back.
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it all comes down to is that alot of americans are TOO proud or lazy to do that kind of work... plain and simple
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it all comes down to is that alot of americans are TOO proud or lazy to do that kind of work... plain and simple
i agree
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it all comes down to is that alot of americans are TOO proud or lazy to do that kind of work... plain and simple
Just lazy, if they were proud they wouldn't be sitting on their asses or begging on street corners.
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Just lazy, if they were proud they wouldn't be sitting on their asses or begging on street corners.

thats true too........
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:34 PM
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it all comes down to is that alot of americans are TOO proud or lazy to do that kind of work... plain and simple
Most Americans live in a single family home, with a wife, and kids in most cases. They just can't afford to live of of 10bucks an hour and support a home, wife, kids, and life in general on that wage. Mexicans will live 15-20 people in a single family home, and have 7-8 of them making money. Those bills are easy with that mmuch income

I agree that there is a lot of laziness that goes on too as far as Americans picking crops, cattle work etc.
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Bottom line, the government doesn't let anyone get hungry enough to let go of the pride.

The temp thing will only work when we quit giving everyone the benefits.
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Its not that americans are too lazy, its that the illegals will work for less.

Wal-Mart mentality through and through.

Would you work out in the hot sun for 8 bucks an hour 10+ hrs a day picking fruit from a tree? Most likely, NO. Why not? because you can work for 8 bucks an hour working at any retail store of your choice in the a/c and do far less work. Why would the farm owner pay more if someone is there doing the work?

That "jobs americans won't do" line is bullchit and worn out.

Tell me the minimum wage hasn't affected how jobs rank on pay scale....and I'll call you liar.

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LET PEOPLE FAIL! i.e. stop lifelong welfare, foodstamps and other handouts. They will be forced to work to live. If they don't work, tough, start leaning on your family...maybe they will give a damn, cuz I don't.

CLOSE THE BORDERS! i.e. Stop the influx of potential terrorists, drug trafficking, illegals and more. Give the border guards authority to shoot on site, deport, chase with dogs, whatever you like. The message has to be conveyed somehow and our current policy of detain and deport (if that even happens....) is hardly a deterrent. Seeing your friend get blasted in the leg while trying to run will help make the message clear. Is it cruel? Maybe, but no more cruel than forcing me and everyone else to support these illegal activities.

FINE THE EMPLOYERS! If the employers know there are penalties, they will be less apt to do it. Of course, this requires actual enforcement. Thats not too hard though. We just have to pay a clown to go around and ask for ID on a very irregular schedule. He finds workers that are not legit, he walks over to the owner and writes a big assed ticket.
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Its not that americans are too lazy, its that the illegals will work for less.

Wal-Mart mentality through and through.

Would you work out in the hot sun for 8 bucks an hour 10+ hrs a day picking fruit from a tree? Most likely, NO. Why not? because you can work for 8 bucks an hour working at any retail store of your choice in the a/c and do far less work. Why would the farm owner pay more if someone is there doing the work?

That "jobs americans won't do" line is bullchit and worn out.

Tell me the minimum wage hasn't affected how jobs rank on pay scale....and I'll call you liar.

Keys to success-

LET PEOPLE FAIL! i.e. stop lifelong welfare, foodstamps and other handouts. They will be forced to work to live. If they don't work, tough, start leaning on your family...maybe they will give a damn, cuz I don't.

CLOSE THE BORDERS! i.e. Stop the influx of potential terrorists, drug trafficking, illegals and more. Give the border guards authority to shoot on site, deport, chase with dogs, whatever you like. The message has to be conveyed somehow and our current policy of detain and deport (if that even happens....) is hardly a deterrent. Seeing your friend get blasted in the leg while trying to run will help make the message clear. Is it cruel? Maybe, but no more cruel than forcing me and everyone else to support these illegal activities.

FINE THE EMPLOYERS! If the employers know there are penalties, they will be less apt to do it. Of course, this requires actual enforcement. Thats not too hard though. We just have to pay a clown to go around and ask for ID on a very irregular schedule. He finds workers that are not legit, he walks over to the owner and writes a big assed ticket.
We could stop illegal immigration tomorrow, all we would have to do is make it a felony to hire an illegal. Employers would get real serious about confirming the legal status of their workers. The immediate result would be much higher food prices though. How would you like to pay $3 for an apple. The answer is to have a streamlined process to be able to recruit legal workers from Mexico. The process now is a typical inefficient govt program that is much too complicated and time consuming. The program suggested in the video link in the first post seems like a reasonable solution. Everyday I see able bodied Americans standing on street corners begging, same people, same corner, some for years. There is no reason that these bums couldn't be out there picking fruit or washing dishes in a restaurant other than the fact that they are lazy POS with absolutely no pride. If you ever try to get them to work they will make some lame assed excuse or straight up laugh in your face. Most of them are young and I wonder how much they will cost in social services during their life times. It's just too damn bad we can't round up these worthless deadbeats and force them to do some kind of work.
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