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6.7 or 6.7?

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#1 ·
Hey guys we just sold our 2010 f150 and now looking at buying a new diesel our 97 cummins isn't up to it anymore. Anyways we are looking at buying either a dodge or a ford very soon. I am suppose to get prices from dodge tomorrow on a loaded cummins, also be phoning down to the states to get prices on a 13 ford. were still not sure what to get have driven both like the ford more but worried if its going to last.
 
#2 ·
Reliability wise...consumer reports gives the edge to Ford over GM and Dodge. Same for mileage.

Each has their pro's and con's....but I am super glad I bought a Ford. I come from a string of Toyotas and reliability is very important to me. 12,000 miles and zero issues for me. F350 CC LB 3.55 4WD. The thing is a beast.

Cummins has a reputation that I think was built on the 5.9...not subsequent engines. A local guy has a trucking company and is a Cummins fan...but is not a fan of his 2010 Ram. He is very disappointed. That being said...he still drives it.

I don't really think you can go "wrong" with either. I see people pulling loads with each. Some people are die hard one way or the other. I think Ford did a great job with this engine and truck. Mine is rock solid. No creaks. No rattles. Yeah...it rides like an F350...which is a better ride than F350's from years ago. Very quiet inside.

Good luck.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Everything has changed for the positive for Ram in 2013.
Ram has stubbornly used the same EGR technology like the one Ford used with the 6.4L. Robs everything from a diesel.
The new 13' Cummins will now use SCR technology like everybody else, and power and mileage will be as good or better than the competition. Engine wise, there is no comparison. The Cummins is in a class of it's own when compared to the 6.7L Powerstroke.
 
#6 ·
The 5.9 cummins is in a class of its own. The 6.7 cummins has yet to prove itself, especially since they are just now putting on extra emissions crap. In 5 years we will see how they hold up. :ford:
 
#4 ·
^were not waiting for a 13 dodge heard they won't be out till april or may year's basically half over already. we will be buying in the next month and won't get the rebates on a 13 dodge as you will on a 12.
 
#5 ·
I bought a 2012 Ford two weeks ago. The rebates and financing on the Ford are gret right now. I love this truck. We just took my neighbors 2011 Duramax on a 600 mile trip, and even he admitted my Ford rode nicer. I agree with what was said above, the 5.9 Cummins is not the engine used today. The Dodge is usually cheaper for a reason.
 
#8 ·
George...why do you hang on the 6.7 forum to simply bash it? Hundreds of thousands of great 6.7 Powerstrokes rolling around and you (who have a kick butt truck) have to keep repeating "weak internals" "no comparison" talking points. I'd put my "weak" powerstroke up against anything offered by a competitor. Sure, I can find strengths and weaknesses with any and all of them....and roll back a couple years in the model years and that is true too. I am sorry you don't like the new 6.7. People have successfully tuned them. People are pulling with them.

With all due respect...I just don't understand the bashing. People on here are using them in hardworking situations every day...and having great results. Doesn't that indicate Ford did something right?

Sorry to vent...I just want to say that I don't roll into the 6.4 forum tearing it up for things I found wanting when I was looking at a used 6.4 vs the current 6.7. So...not trying to PO you...just trying to offer some perspective...
 
#10 · (Edited)
I smell a troll....just sayin....

I have ZERO experience with the cummins but I have 3 buds with work truck powerstroke 6.7 from 2011-2013 and I just helped my neighbor order his fully loaded 2013 lariat after driving one a few thousand miles and boy if I had the cash or my truck died it would be a no brainer. What an amazing truck. how that truck meets the new obamamama EPA mandated emissions requirements is beyond me but I ain't complaining!

They all have their strengths and weaknesses fellas--just like they all have die hard fans. Be realistic and play nice.

Can't wait til the 2014 stand off between the big three!!!

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#12 ·
Wasn't trying to upset you George. I know you're not a troll.

I gave all three a good shot at my money. I have experience with Ram (cummins) and Ford (7.3s)....good experiences and bad. But I gave all the current offerings a run. As I said, I think they all had some things I liked, and some things I wasn't too keen on (interior of GM, front suspension of GM, Small wheels of Ram, perceived slowness of cummins).

That being said, I think they'll all yank some major weight down the roads. I went with Ford because it drove awesome, looked the best (IMO) with 8' bed and SRW, great cabin space and amenities (CC), and had reliability ratings above the other 2 with Consumer Reports.

I realize the side profile of a SD may have a somewhat tame look, but Ford has definitely evolved and the mirrors and exterior of the trucks I see on this forum look fantastic (of course...I ordered mine so I am partial to what I have...cause I can't convince my wife a lift is warranted LOL!). The GMs just seem dated. Ram has some edginess...and certain angles look great...but I am not a fan of their mirrors or wheel packages (and their 8' bed CC models just look a little weird to me). Oh...one thing I really like about the SD is the way it feels when you're in it. The way you feel like you're sitting higher...the side window and it cuts down...I think that's cool.

You are correct...the competition benefits us. And, they'll always be trying to one up each other. I am curious what we'll see in 5 years! I answered a Ford survey after my purchase and it had options to pick from including 1000 ft-lbs of torque in engine options! The other choices were less power but more mpg. And...as you can imagine...I voted MORE POWER LOL!!!
 
#14 · (Edited)
Thank you. I appreciate your kindness because it is extremely rare around here.
Honestly, I'm so used to getting flamed that nothing upsets me.
I know how it works.
Truck/car forums are all alike. Someone asks a question, and all join in with one big brand group hug. If someone disagrees, the group circle the wagons and the firing begins. I'm called a troll, a grump, an @ss, or some other nasty name or comment from every angle. The last thing I was called was a person who said I was jealous. I understand that a lot of guys are finally able to afford the truck they covet, and there lies the blindness of all out protection of their dream truck. I come along and tell them that the engine is coming up short. They're going to be pissed, and I understand the mentality to defend.
As time goes on and more opportunities develop which allow you to buy different trucks, you look at it openly and differently.

Trucks are still cool, and I still like the Ford the best for looks and quality, but the engine is the worst of the bunch for multiple reasons.
In my mind, the only way to let FMC know that it comes up short is to point it out.



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#15 ·
I don't think he's trolling...if you guys recall, the op asked for input/opinions. The title of the thread is 6.7 or 6.7 right? There is data and propaganda to support each of the big three diesels these days...

I own a PSD...but I also own a Dmax, a 6.5 and until recently had a Cummins too. It's ok to be open minded :thumb:
 
#17 ·
Honestly, I would go either way. The only ram/cummins I would own is a new one. I wouldn't touch an 05 or older Ram with a 10' pole. The engines are bulletproof but the trucks are absolute crap as they age. If it were me right now, I would test drive both and do a completely unbiased comparison. Decide what would work best for you and go for it.


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#19 ·
I have to partially agree with you on that one, let me explain further...

A friend of a friend is a small engine tech. He bought a 06 5.9. Eventually got it tuned, exhaust, intake, etc. It was a very strong motor, fast as hell too. But the truck had no backbone at all. Everything was cheap and he admitted it. After only 5 years of having the truck it seemed like it was something else every week. Amazingly the trans held up as long as it did. This was the main reason he got rid of it because he knew it was about to go. He looked at Fords but was convinced that Dodge had come a long way, which they have, and was also convinced that the 6.7 cummins had all its problems worked out. Well he's had the 2011 6.7 truck for a little over a year and has had multiple problems with not the truck or trans but the motor. Keep in mind this truck is all stock, doesn't tow much, 4X2 megacab longbed (sleeper). Its just a daily driver and grocery getter. Its been to dodge a countless number of times for stupid little problems but their still problems. I don't know the details but still. Now, he says the Dodge truck isn't too bad (its no Ford) but the new 6.7 cummins just isn't the 5.9. His tuned 5.9 was faster, stronger, and got better mpg, and never let him down. Yes tuning a 6.7 really wakes them up but he can't because of warrantee.

On the other hand, his dad owns a crane company. He had a 04 6.0 as his daily driver. Not studded or anything, but EGR delete, exhaust, and tuned 8" lift on 37s with gears. Nice truck. Amazingly, didn't have any problems except for some bad injectors a while back (cause he let his FICM die). Last year he traded it for a 2012 6.7 powerstroke lariat. Leveled it on 35s and has had it for over a year with zero problems and loves it! Now this truck always has some kind of trailer behind it, works hard, all day every day driving non stop. It has a lot of miles on it and is holding up great and getting reasonably good mpg as far as I know. Its actually quite fun talking with father and son about it because its just such a funny situation between the two, go figure.

Now I'm not saying dodge is bad or fords are non-porblimatic. My 6.0 is at Ford as we speak for an unknown problem. Truck just won't run, but I still love it because its am amazing truck and I would never even consider a Dodge just because they are not proven. (the trucks and the new engine).

Dodge
5.9s (Great motor, not too good a truck)
6.7s (Ok motor, so so truck)

Ford (i will use 6.0 for comparison, simply because I don't know much about the 6.4 and it wasn't ran for very long).
6.0 (not too good a motor, great truck)
6.7 (so far so good motor, great truck)

:dunno: just my $0.02

Good luck with whatever you choose!
 
#18 ·
Ford did an amazing job at designing the 6.7 powerstroke. There have been very little failures with it. To say its the weakest of the three is ludicrous. It all depends on what your going to do with it, if you use it as advertised and intended by the many engineers who designed this engine, like for pulling then it will certainly beat out the cummins every time. Now if you want to go to the dynos and look at cute numbers after you tune it to 200+ rwhp over stock then the dmax is your guy or even the cummins. I will say that after sitting in a half ton 13 ram wow! They've come leaps and bounds from the old interior. It's definitely hands down better than the fords and that's my favorite part of my truck. All that said, all three trucks are far and away capable of way more than most will ever use them for. For me it's all about the interior, in 2011 ford had the best hands down, 2013 definitely has to go to ram though
 
#20 ·
Yeah I agree with that Mike. The old 6.7 when they first came out weren't very good. But I work at a dodge dealership and I have to say, for 13, the new ram trucks are really stepping it up. Back to topic though.
Final judgement for the new trucks:
Ford=Great truck with good motor.
Dodge=Great motor with good truck
GM=Good motor with crappy truck


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#23 ·
Yep. Chrysler called my roommate back to say his warranty is void cause of those items. He was livid and traded the truck in.


So it's like you make a effin one ton truck but can't use it. He'll ford advertises it bein used off road like Halliburton or farm work and related.

A lease here in Texas we actually use trucks for what they are made for. Roomate being jn the Ag industry and I in oil. And I know there are other type of jobs that uses them
Just as much.
 
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