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Old 05-25-2013, 05:33 AM
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Pros and cons of a diesel

I'm new to this site and I've been reading posts trying to get a good feel for all the different model years and power plants. I thought it was probably time for me to post my scenario and let some of you throw some thoughts back at me.

So I'm a mechanical engineer, weekend mechanic, I have to have something to wrench on or I go nuts... I enjoy the routine maintenance but I'm not a fan of wrenching to stay on the road, I'm to old for that! This would be my first diesel, I've always wanted one but I don't want a lemon... Or a constant project... I will be towing a camper with the truck, after years of tent camping the wife has said we will be buying one... I do have some drives I take that are about 170 miles with light trailer loads, maybe once a month or 2 months. I drive 20 miles one way to work, but I do make some short runs at work... I have an 02 explorer I bought new, I have 163k miles on her and she is extremely dependable and will be my second vehicle.

I really like the 08 interiors and styling but I'm not set on the newer years... I would say my budget is $25k which limits me especially from newer models. I'm not looking to go fast just avoid being snake bit by making an uneducated purchase. I'm a bit of a tech junkie so I love gauges and being able to monitor performance.

I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on purchasing a stock truck, I don't mind mods but it would be case by case... So 7.3's are reliable, 6.0's scare me but I know there are good ones, I don't know much about the 6.4's or 6.7's.... I've been looking at 99's and newer...

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Old 05-25-2013, 05:37 AM
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7.3's are your best bet, you could bulletproof a 6.0 or get a 6.4 and delete the emissions, after that I would say they are all pretty reliable. I don't know anything about the 6.7's so I can't help you there


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Any 6.7 made before march 2011 is pretty much guaranteed to have a catastrophic engine failure i.e. dropping a valve. I've even seen reports of early 2012s dropping valves. They are good engines, decent fuel mileage, and a good amount of power for a stock but there has been a decent amount of failures as well. A user by the name of DirtBikePilot posted a report from ford that didnt state that they are guaranteed to fail but if you read between the lines it's obvious. I've had almost 55,000 problem free miles on my truck with a few minor issues but nothing engine or transmission related. I'd say your best bet is to get a 6.0 and bullet proof it or get a 6.4 and do the emissions deletes on it like lutts2011 stated. Or I you can find a 7.3 that you like, you can't go wrong with a 7.3.
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the 7.3 gets the best mileage, easiest to work on, cheaper to work on, more reliable etc.

the downside of the 7.3 trucks is that 3/4 of them are well used and are all at least 10 years old. the ones that are in good condition with lower mileage are usually priced like gold. it's not hard to find an '01 or '02 for $25,000 while '05's with 6.0's are selling for 10 grand or less with lower mileage.
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I found my 7.3 on eBay for $8400. It was rust free. Just has a few dings and dents its a 12 year old truck. But imo you can't go wrong with a 7.3. I no guys with 6.4 and 6.0. They go fast. But are not as reliable as a 7.3. The problem with the 7.3 is. Your buying a 10+ year old truck. Stupid things start going bad. Axle seals. Window motors. Switches or buttons. Little stupid things tho. But the engines are solid.

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Good info for the OP fellas. Like stated above- a 7.3 is easier to work on compared to the 6.0 and 6.4. And the fuel system isn't as picky as the 6.0 and 6.4's. so it just depends if you have the skill to work on a 6.4 if for example you have to do a head gasket job in your shop or replace the bedplate or something that extensive, those are big hard jobs. The 7.3 is reliable and does a damn good job of doin what a diesel is meant to do.

I love my 6.4 though- the modern interior with all the gadgets and creature comforts, and the 585 hp & 1200 ft/lbs of torque-- it's a fvckin race truck that can tow anything and whoop a rich kid in his 350z LOL. And it makes that kind of power by just deleting the emissions equipment, adding a tuner, and a cold air intake (afe stage 2). The 6.4's have a way more stout bottom end compared to the 6.7's, the 6.4 is just a flat out *** kicking beast.


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the 7.3 gets the best mileage, easiest to work on, cheaper to work on, more reliable etc.

the downside of the 7.3 trucks is that 3/4 of them are well used and are all at least 10 years old. the ones that are in good condition with lower mileage are usually priced like gold. it's not hard to find an '01 or '02 for $25,000 while '05's with 6.0's are selling for 10 grand or less with lower mileage.
I doubt your 7.3 gets better MPG then a 6.7 with 3.31's or 3.55's.
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I love my 97 7.3 CC. bought it with 132xxx miles as she sat a lot. Pervious owner replaced a lot of stuff, trans, computer, fuel pump etc but i just replaced the steering linkage, all bad. I have an annoying clicking when i turn, think it is the steering column but, i drive this girl every day at least 10 miles, gets between 15 and 18 MPH and if i fix my leaking fuel hose, will probably get better. LOL Parts are in yards and reasonably priced.
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I doubt your 7.3 gets better MPG then a 6.7 with 3.31's or 3.55's.
I haven't seen a 6.7 in the $25,000 price range yet....

I know the no emissions 7.3 gets much better mileage than the 6.0 and 6.4, i'm not sure about the 6.7 but I doubt that any emissions equipped diesels get mileage worth mentioning.

I know that my 2010 sprinter with a 3.0 bluetec gets the same mileage as my 7.3. the small European diesels used to be in the 50 mpg range on a bad day.
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What is the make of that motor? I'd love to stuff one I'd those into my 66 air cooled vw bug! That'd be awesome! Pros and cons of a diesel-imageuploadedbyautoguide1369630446.606121.jpg

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