Originally Posted by TimboDiesel
Weird, I also noticed the Ram had 200 ft.-lbs. less of torque with the manual, couldn't figure that out. Are they afraid you're gonna bust an axle or strip a gear?
The "official" answer that was cropping up a LOT was the factory could not get a clutch to hold up to the torque the new engines make Thus the 'reason' the Dodge is derated in manual tran form
I still can't imagine that an automatic is smarter than a good driver. Am I one of the few that still think Ford ought to put a stick with their diesel?
Was it '08 or'09 that Ford took away the manual option?
2010 was the last year you could get a handshaker in the Ford Diesel with the 6.4 the 2011 6.7 PSD is not available with anything but the auto, I am a huge fan of a manual but I will say these new Ford autos (like my 08 and dad's 11) are pretty darn good transmissions
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In reference to my first reply about not being able to install a clutch that holds up to these torque numbers:
Yes, we know that South Bend and other clutch companies make some AWESOME clutches that will easily hold north of 1000 lbs of torque, but, these clutches are noisy and can cause a really stiff pedal that is a nightmare to hold in (I never held mine in at a stop, but some do) and though we CHOOSE to deal with these minor nuances, these are not things that a factory will install off the assembly line.
Just take a look at the intake piping found on the average gas engine, piece of pipe hooked to the filter housing that also has odd shaped chambers and bends throughout the pipe work for one purpose, keep it quiet. No the factory setup is not the nest flowing option, hence cold air kits, but it is a functional design and there are people that if they drove a car and could hear the noises created by a high flow filter setup (the woosh at initial throttle application and the nice sucking howl of an intake at full throttle) they would whine, cry, and complain that the car makes weird 'horrible' noises. Same with the stiff heavy duty clutches. Basically, they CAN install clutches to handle 800+ lbs of torque, but they WON'T because the "average" consumer sucks and is a wuss(from a performance/modified stand point)...