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one tank of off road diesel cost $50,000!!!

I was talking to my Snap-on man today and we got to talking about the new crappy diesel fuel. He was tell me that a dude down in Macon got caught by the DOT with one of there new fuel checking rods running off road diesel in his fuel and that the fine is $50,000 big ones. So for anybody running off road diesel out there here and there, ya know who ya are!! A $13,000 engine is not worth $50,000. Sucks to be him!!

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its rare

but i have heard of people getting caught.
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i never in my wildest dreams imagined that the fine would be that outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! absolutely redicoulous

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i take it it is strickly for farm equitment?

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YES!!!!! the farmers dont have to pay taxes on it and when you buy it at the pump you dont have to pay taxes on it. and god forbide you short the government 50 cents.

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If I ever find the time to finish the "Know Your Fuels" sticky I'll have a good explanation of this, but red diesel (also known as off road diesel, farm diesel, red fuel, dyed fuel, etc...) is for any application calling for #2 fuel oil that does NOT involve over the road use. This includes everything from home heating oil (yes, that tank outside your house or in your basement is full of diesel fuel-no you should not tap into it), generators, boats, farm equipment, construction equipment, and old farm trucks that never leave the property.

The fuel is dyed red to denote that it is untaxed as in the federal and state diesel fuel taxes do not apply. Red diesel tends to be on average about $0.25 per gallon cheaper than on road fuel, hence the motivation for some to use it, especially if you're using large quantities. However, if you get caught, the tax man will take it out of your you-know-what. As stroketechintraining said, its not common, but it's not all that uncommon either. Tractor trailers, tri-axles, dump trucks, etc...tend to receive more scrutiny, but diesel pickups are not immune to being "dipped."

Here in NJ I seriously doubt I'd ever be dipped at a traffic stop (maybe if I had a transport tank in the bed and I was either being a prick or the officer just wanted to be one), but it does happen a lot at equipment/livestock auctions where lots of diesel pickups are gathered in one place. I know that a couple of guys got nabbed at the state fair last summer.

That being said, the fines here in NJ are something like $1000 for a first time offense, but they go way up if you get caught again. I find it hard to believe that Georgia is levying $50K fines though-that's absolutely absurd. Most of the time the attitude of the state is just trying to recoup the taxes and teach you a lesson the first time. In a PSD, if you fill up with red diesel once, you've just evaded $10 worth of road tax, 10 fillups = $100 of road tax, etc... $50K is outrageous-I doubt that is true, though I'm sure the rumor makes people think twice.

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:bonk: That is one thing you do not want to do is getting caught running farm fuel in your rig.I don't think it is that much i believe it is 25k for a semi running farm fuel.

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Here in texas i have been stoped and checked about a dosen time sence i have had the 6.0, about 7 months. The first time you are caught is 4,000 the second time is 11,000 third is 25K and your rig is taken and sold in a police auction. This is all comming the guys that diped my tank.

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In PA., I believe the penalty is the unpaid tax back to mile 0. Plus fine.

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In PA., I believe the penalty is the unpaid tax back to mile 0. Plus fine.
That is correct! There is also a fine on top of that.

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