I See We Drove Banks Off As A Sponsor......

[Dave]

This is a 13k concrete slab plus about a 4k trailer behind my 350 with 285's and a leveling kit for comparison.

[RadarRider]

Originally Posted by Dave

This is a 13k concrete slab plus about a 4k trailer behind my 350 with 285's and a leveling kit for comparison.

Yeah, mine would've been a lowrider @ that point.....

[Dave]

Originally Posted by RadarRider

Yeah, mine would've been a lowrider @ that point.....

YouTube - War - Low Rider

[2005F250]

Originally Posted by RadarRider

I don't have anything heavier than the 8200# trailer I pulled. But even @ 8200, my rear was a lot lower than the front, so it had to have been a significant amount of weight. I don't usually tow too much, man, so I can't really go any further in this arguement.

All about tounge wieght...

[DavidPhillips]

This is a funny thread. It's almost like somebody died.

Should the product and service not speak for themselves? You don't see bashing of a lot of other products so that just has to make you wonder.

The only thing I know is they spend a lot on advertisement and you pay for this when you buy the product. They may have good products but why would people decide to bash them if everything is so great? Millions of people go with what they have heard from someone else. Does that mean it's not true? Are we saying here that everyone should stock up on Banks stuff before they can even consider taking advice? That's almost as insane as this thread.

I'm towing close to 11K with my 250. It can tow up to 15,900. It also has what looks like the equivalent of Timbrens on it. The pin weight does not overload the truck. It rides and tows great. This truck came with exhaust, intake, and all that already on it.

I get up to 20 mpg empty.

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Last edited by DavidPhillips : 07-08-2009 at 01:41 AM.

[RadarRider]

Originally Posted by DavidPhillips

This is a funny thread. It's almost like somebody died.

Should the product and service not speak for themselves? You don't see bashing of a lot of other products so that just has to make you wonder.

The only thing I know is they spend a lot on advertisement and you pay for this when you buy the product. They may have good products but why would people decide to bash them if everything is so great? Millions of people go with what they have heard from someone else. Does that mean it's not true? Are we saying here that everyone should stock up on Banks stuff before they can even consider taking advice? That's almost as insane as this thread.

I'm towing close to 11K with my 250. It can tow up to 15,900. It also has what looks like the equivalent of Timbrens on it. The pin weight does not overload the truck. It rides and tows great. This truck came with exhaust, intake, and all that already on it.

I get up to 20 mpg empty.

No, Dave, we're not saying stock up on Banks stuff before anyone can take advice. The whole point of this thread, if you bothered to read past page 1, was people who don't have a clue of any product, not just Banks, shouldn't bash unless they've had or know someone with personal experience from any certain product. Sure a product & advertisment can show signs of it's own structural integrity, but some people have their own ideas for their application. Some people like the products they have that are often times bashed & would just like support when they have a question or need some tech advice. Try getting a little more in depth in threads before you put your .02, because your entire post just sounded .

[szyd]

Some body mentioned the cost to Banks for being a sponsor. Well the 3 to 5 page add in almost every auto mag you pick up is way more than the sponsorship. Banks is after the persone who just baught a new diesel and stops at the magazine rack to see whats available. What do they see? Banks a huge add bashing everybodys elses products. Banks came to this site made some acusations and could not back up ther claim so then they relized the ORG is not for them, being Most of us have been introduced to the rest of the magazine. And have searched and researched to make a informed desition on the products they spend there money on. I belive it is our job to let people know ther is more out there than the big adds in the mags.


And to Cory the OP I am sorry you no longer have a direct link to there help. Banks put there tail between their legs and scaperd off. I dont want to do business with a company that cant take the good with the bad. I remember several threads and several questions that went unanswerd cuz they had no answer. Banks could not take the heat and stand up for them selves. Which in my opinion warents some BASHING.

[DavidPhillips]

Now wait a minute here.

I read the whole thread and I am not about to reply to everything said in the whole thing. I will however try to make my point more clear on one particular part that stands out to me.

Originally Posted by RadarRider

I agree 100%. & to add to the "only ONE oil" example, most people go by what they read/heard someone else say. They wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Oil Brand A from Oil Brand B if they were labeled as such. They just need to go ahead & do the trial/error, research/development method; with oil, performance products, ANYTHING, & get some hard numbers they obtained themselves instead of jumping on the BBB(Brand Bashing Bandwagon).

Do you think you can somehow make distinction between someone asking a question from someone answering one? They are looking for input and that's what a forum is all about. So they want to make a choice based on the replies they get. Once they get replies and make a decision your going to say they can't reply to a similiar thread?


You said let people try the product and see for themselves. So here is an example of what that would imply to me and many others.


......Hi,

I just bought my new truck and my buddy across the street has a brand x tuner in his car and has challenged me to a race. I saw that brand x has a tuner for my new truck and the web site looks good. Should I get this one.

....


Now according to what you said about letting them try the product here would be a response....


Hey, welcome to the forums. Hope you like the truck. brand x is a great guy. He has the cleanest tune around.


.....


Now here is where I get lost on the thread. Obviously he goes out and spends thousands on brand x stuff as suggested on the brand x site and looses the race with his buddy.

So he is now going to be bashing the heck out of brand x and the forum.


Now here is a more realistic approach...


Welcome to the forums. Hope you like the truck. I have heard that brand x is not going to give you very much performance improvements. They are trying to comply with street legal restrictions but if your going to be racing brand xxx is better and cost less. I have heard people say that you would be better off leaving the truck stock if you don't want to remove the DPF.


.....


Then the OP can respond and ask some more questions.


That's when you should be posting how great brand x is and let the OP decide. Maybe you could explain why you ended up ditching your brand x product and getting something else.


So a week later the OP comes back and thanks everyone for helping him kick butt on his buddies car.



Added....


Now I have one other thing to say about this and that would be the idea that you need to have a product to qualify for commenting on it. That's rediculious.

As an example I have a 6.4 and have learned a lot about it. It's not really a lot different from any other diesel truck but the DPF functions are new to everyone. I am intelegent enough to read the brand x article and decide that there is some smoke blowing around somewhere. Obviously I can deduct that my truck could handle 95 hp added on in programming without changing a tail pipe, air intake, and transmission controller. Someone not knowing much about the truck would see the add and buy the whole gammit of stuff only to find out they made a huge mistake by not getting what they were really after.

Therefore I would be qualified to advise that someone totally new to diesel trucks or DPF operation and mods that they are pretty much throwing money away as far as performance goes. I could advise that there was a better cheaper option if they are looking to race. Then they can decide for themselves. If they are after a big piece of plastic under the hood that says RAM AIR on it and they know they really don't need it for the tuner they buy if they decide they want 95 hp added instead of 275 then they can still buy it. If they get some objective information they might save some money in parts they are going to end up replacing.

You said yourself that you bought a lot of stuff before you knew better and now you just want support. Well, sorry but how much support do you need on a pipe?

Hope this don't get misunderstood. Your thread has some true and correct info in it but there is also a lot that's not very objective.


I say let people post the objective info and the fans of the product can jump in and help the OP make the right decission. Then the forum and members come out on top. You can't always help sell something because it's a supporting vender. The product and service will have to do that on it's own. Fact is they are not a supporting vender.

Originally Posted by RadarRider

They wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Oil Brand A from Oil Brand B if they were labeled as such.

Was this meant as a joke or what. People on the forums are reading and typing. They have managed to stay breathing long enough to be driving a truck. So I don't get the above comment.





Thanks,

David

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Last edited by DavidPhillips : 07-09-2009 at 02:20 AM.

[mrnecsteve]

Originally Posted by DavidPhillips

This is a funny thread. It's almost like somebody died.

Should the product and service not speak for themselves? You don't see bashing of a lot of other products so that just has to make you wonder.

The only thing I know is they spend a lot on advertisement and you pay for this when you buy the product. They may have good products but why would people decide to bash them if everything is so great? Millions of people go with what they have heard from someone else. Does that mean it's not true? Are we saying here that everyone should stock up on Banks stuff before they can even consider taking advice? That's almost as insane as this thread.

I'm towing close to 11K with my 250. It can tow up to 15,900. It also has what looks like the equivalent of Timbrens on it. The pin weight does not overload the truck. It rides and tows great. This truck came with exhaust, intake, and all that already on it.

I get up to 20 mpg empty.

sniff ...sniff...I still miss Banks.
opps...I forgot. I have been drove off of this thread.

[RadarRider]

Originally Posted by DavidPhillips

Now wait a minute here.

I read the whole thread and I am not about to reply to everything said in the whole thing. I will however try to make my point more clear on one particular part that stands out to me.



Do you think you can somehow make distinction between someone asking a question from someone answering one? They are looking for input and that's what a forum is all about. So they want to make a choice based on the replies they get. Once they get replies and make a decision your going to say they can't reply to a similiar thread?


You said let people try the product and see for themselves. So here is an example of what that would imply to me and many others.


......Hi,

I just bought my new truck and my buddy across the street has a brand x tuner in his car and has challenged me to a race. I saw that brand x has a tuner for my new truck and the web site looks good. Should I get this one.

....


Now according to what you said about letting them try the product here would be a response....


Hey, welcome to the forums. Hope you like the truck. brand x is a great guy. He has the cleanest tune around.


.....


Now here is where I get lost on the thread. Obviously he goes out and spends thousands on brand x stuff as suggested on the brand x site and looses the race with his buddy.

So he is now going to be bashing the heck out of brand x and the forum.


Now here is a more realistic approach...


Welcome to the forums. Hope you like the truck. I have heard that brand x is not going to give you very much performance improvements. They are trying to comply with street legal restrictions but if your going to be racing brand xxx is better and cost less. I have heard people say that you would be better off leaving the truck stock if you don't want to remove the DPF.


.....


Then the OP can respond and ask some more questions.


That's when you should be posting how great brand x is and let the OP decide. Maybe you could explain why you ended up ditching your brand x product and getting something else.


So a week later the OP comes back and thanks everyone for helping him kick butt on his buddies car.



Added....


Now I have one other thing to say about this and that would be the idea that you need to have a product to qualify for commenting on it. That's rediculious.

As an example I have a 6.4 and have learned a lot about it. It's not really a lot different from any other diesel truck but the DPF functions are new to everyone. I am intelegent enough to read the brand x article and decide that there is some smoke blowing around somewhere. Obviously I can deduct that my truck could handle 95 hp added on in programming without changing a tail pipe, air intake, and transmission controller. Someone not knowing much about the truck would see the add and buy the whole gammit of stuff only to find out they made a huge mistake by not getting what they were really after.

Therefore I would be qualified to advise that someone totally new to diesel trucks or DPF operation and mods that they are pretty much throwing money away as far as performance goes. I could advise that there was a better cheaper option if they are looking to race. Then they can decide for themselves. If they are after a big piece of plastic under the hood that says RAM AIR on it and they know they really don't need it for the tuner they buy if they decide they want 95 hp added instead of 275 then they can still buy it. If they get some objective information they might save some money in parts they are going to end up replacing.

You said yourself that you bought a lot of stuff before you knew better and now you just want support. Well, sorry but how much support do you need on a pipe?

Hope this don't get misunderstood. Your thread has some true and correct info in it but there is also a lot that's not very objective.


I say let people post the objective info and the fans of the product can jump in and help the OP make the right decission. Then the forum and members come out on top. You can't always help sell something because it's a supporting vender. The product and service will have to do that on it's own. Fact is they are not a supporting vender.



Was this meant as a joke or what. People on the forums are reading and typing. They have managed to stay breathing long enough to be driving a truck. So I don't get the above comment.





Thanks,

David

I'm not going to even bother acknowledging your posts anymore. Just get to the point instead of typing the Constitution everytime you respond & making everyone go cross-eyed & I'll try to address whatever philosophical jargon your trying to blabber about. Good enough?

Originally Posted by mrnecsteve

sniff ...sniff...I still miss Banks.
opps...I forgot. I have been drove off of this thread.

Grow up, will you? How old are you, mrnecsteve? 12? 13? Really, just grow up.