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Old 12-12-2007, 07:06 PM
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I'm new to diesel trucks. I have a diesel powered boat and always use Stanadyne Performance Diesel. I have found it makes a big difference in the boat, runs better, less smoke and better economy. I have been using the Ford Cetane Booster for about 500 miles in the truck. It seems Ok but is alot more expensive. Does anybody know if the Stanadyne Performance Diesel (says ULSD compatible) is ok to use with the 6.4? Does using these products prolong times between regens?
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:22 AM
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If it says ULSD compatible then, it should be ok to use.....I would go ahead and ask your dealer and see what they say if you are worried about warranty
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Old 12-13-2007, 12:06 PM
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My dealer said I was to never ever use anything but Motorcraft addatives. The guy told me that if they ever found anything other than Motorcraft, I would have to prove that it was not the addative that caused the damage.

Having said that. I use Stanadyne Performance Formula. Runs great, better fuel consumption. However has not extended regen periods. Still does a regen relegiously every 210 - 220 miles.

Back to the warranty issue. The diesel paperwork said nothing about only using only Motorcraft addatives/oil. So I think it's a scare tactic the dealers are using.
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Ok, dumb questions, what regen?

I use diesel kleen in my rig, just cause thats what someone suggested. (And, it's at the TA truck stops, so it can't hurt it.

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Ditch those addtives, the FSE i know dont even use them. They use stuffmade by Wellsworth/Enertech. Since you cant really buy them but in case quantites, i would look at FT-10. Its just as good.
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Ok, dumb questions, what regen?

I use diesel kleen in my rig, just cause thats what someone suggested. (And, it's at the TA truck stops, so it can't hurt it.

D
There is no dumb question on this site.....only dumb answers, hahaha...j/k....Regen is short for regeneration mode which is process the new 08s go through to clean the DPF or diesel particulate filter which catches the soot from the exhaust and makes the air cleaner.....according to the EPA
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My dealer said I was to never ever use anything but Motorcraft addatives. The guy told me that if they ever found anything other than Motorcraft, I would have to prove that it was not the addative that caused the damage.

Having said that. I use Stanadyne Performance Formula. Runs great, better fuel consumption. However has not extended regen periods. Still does a regen relegiously every 210 - 220 miles.

Back to the warranty issue. The diesel paperwork said nothing about only using only Motorcraft addatives/oil. So I think it's a scare tactic the dealers are using.
Every 210 to 220 miles ....thats alot man, do you drive the hell out of it? And also this passed as a federal law.....if the dealer is claiming that only certain parts can be used in ordered to keep your warranty then the dealer is required to provide those parts free of charge for the life of the warranty.....tell them that and I bet they will change their tune
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I was wanting to know the same thing a while back and somene gave me this information.
Go toLubricity Additive Study Discussion - Diesel Place
(in the first box open the Adobe file for the results). This is a test they did with the diesel fuel additives and rates them on how they performed. After finding this I started the thread on OPTI-LUBE asking if anyone has ever used it.
After doing some research I have found out it is a very good product and is ULSD compatible.
If you have questions call the owner at (505) 326-1234, he was very helpful and willing to answer all my questions. He even guarantees his product.
I just put it in my 6.4 and will post the results.

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Ranking Additive HFRR Score Improvement Over Base Fuel Blend Ratio Dose Oz. per 26-Gal Tank MSRP $ Cost per 26-Gal Tank COMMENTS
Desired Engine Manufacturers Assoc DESIRED < 460 Desired by the Engine Manufacturers Association
Standard U.S. Standard < 520 U.S. Lubricity Standard for ULSD fuel Baseline Untreated ULSD #2 Diesel Fuel 636 Baseline fuel used in this study
1 2% REG SoyPower Biodiesel 221 415 50:1 66.56 Market Soybean based bio-diesel
2 Opti-Lube XPD 317 319 256:1 13.00 $4.35 Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Cetane improver, Demulsifier
3 FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas Fuel Treatment 439 197 640:1 5.20 $2.60 Gas & Diesel - Cetane improver, Emulsifier
4 Opti-Lube Summer Blend 447 189 3000:1 1.11 $0.68 Multi-purpose, Demulsifier
5 Opti-Lube Winter Blend 461 175 512:1 6.50 $3.65 Muti-purpose + anti-gel, Cetane improver
6 Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000 470 166 1000:1 3.33 $1.87 Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Cetane improver, Emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible
7 Super Tech Outboard 2-Cycle TC-W3 Engine Oil 474 162 200:1 16.64 $1.09 Unconventional
- (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)
8 Stanadyne Lubricity Formula 479 157 1000:1 3.32 $1.00 Lubricant, Demulsifier, Detergent, Anti-Oxidant, Corrosion Inhibitor, Alcohol-Free
9 Amsoil Diesel Concentrate 488 148 640:1 5.20 $2.16 Multi-purpose - Demulsifier, alcohol free, bio-diesel compatible
10 Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost 575 61 400:1 8.32 $1.58 Multi-purpose - Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
11 Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner 586 50 1000:1 3.32 $1.36 Multi-purpose -Alcohol free
12 Stanadyne Performance Formula 603 33 480:1 6.93 $4.35 Multi-purpose + anti-gel - Cetane improver, Demulsifier, Detergent, Anti-Oxidant, Corrosion Inhibitor, Alcohol-Free, 5% bio-diesel compatible
13 Used Motor Oil Shell Rotella T 15W-40 5,000 miles used. 634 + 2 Insignifficant 200:1 16.64 $0.00 Unconventional
- (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)
14 Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant 641 - 5 Insignifficant 427:1 7.79 $2.65 Gas or Diesel
15 B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech 644 - 8 Insignifficant 1000:1 3.32 $2.67 Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive
16 FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power 675 - 39 1000:1 3.32 $1.12 Multi-purpose + anti-gel - Emulsifier, alcohol free
17 Marvel Mystery Oil 678 - 42 320:1 10.40 $3.22 Gas, Oil and Diesel fuel additive - (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)
18 ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive 696 - 60 1000:1 3.32 $2.38 Multi-purpose - Cetane improver, Emulsifier, alcohol free
19 Primrose Power Blend 2003 711 - 75 1066:1 3.12 $1.39 Multi-purpose - Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, Emulsifier
Products 13 through 15 had a statistically insignifficant effect on the HFRR score compared to the baseline fuel.
Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of the baseline fuel could be considered to have no significant change. The repeatability of this test allows for a +/- 20 micron variability to be considered insignificant.

DIESEL FUEL LUBRICITY ADDITIVES STUDY RESULTS
Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the strictest requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers
Association.
Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially
available diesel fuel.
Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel. The cause for this is speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR testing
and can be caused by alcohol or other components in the additives. Further investigation into the possibilities behind these poor results will be investigated.
Copyrightę The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer August, 2007

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Old 12-15-2007, 04:23 PM
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Sorry it didnt copy over very well, but the numbers to the left are the ratings. You can go to the link I sent for a better copy.
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