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Am I Being Too Gullible?

I've been seeing the ads on TV for the new Dodge diesels, complete with Sam Elliot doing the voice-overs. One of the points in the ad is that Dodge does not need diesel exhaust fluid, but Ford and Chevy do. Huh? Diesel exhaust fluid? What the heck is that? My first thought was it was just a cute way of claiming Dodge gets better mileage than the others. Think about it...diesel exhaust fluid...the fluid needed to make diesel exhaust...diesel fuel. I know, it's a stretch, but I've heard advertisers say weird stuff before. Anyway, my curiousity got the better of me and I googled diesel exhaust fluid. Lo and behold, there is such a thing. This is what Wikipedia says.

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is an aqueous urea solution used in Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) to lower NOx concentration in the exhaust emissions from diesel engines.

Okay, so my question is, do we have such an animal on the 6.4L? I looked through the owners's manual and could find nothing that mentions needing to fill or replace the diesel exhaust fluid as part of routine maintenance, nor could I find any reservoirs under the hood for it so I'm guessing we don't have anything like that on the 6.4L. Am I wrong?

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I've been seeing the ads on TV for the new Dodge diesels, complete with Sam Elliot doing the voice-overs. One of the points in the ad is that Dodge does not need diesel exhaust fluid, but Ford and Chevy do. Huh? Diesel exhaust fluid? What the heck is that? My first thought was it was just a cute way of claiming Dodge gets better mileage than the others. Think about it...diesel exhaust fluid...the fluid needed to make diesel exhaust...diesel fuel. I know, it's a stretch, but I've heard advertisers say weird stuff before. Anyway, my curiousity got the better of me and I googled diesel exhaust fluid. Lo and behold, there is such a thing. This is what Wikipedia says.

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is an aqueous urea solution used in Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) to lower NOx concentration in the exhaust emissions from diesel engines.

Okay, so my question is, do we have such an animal on the 6.4L? I looked through the owners's manual and could find nothing that mentions needing to fill or replace the diesel exhaust fluid as part of routine maintenance, nor could I find any reservoirs under the hood for it so I'm guessing we don't have anything like that on the 6.4L. Am I wrong?
We do not use Diesel Exhaust Fluid

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Thanks, I didn't think so.

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6.4L NO

6.7L Yes

Also note the ad for the Ĺ ton hemi starts with a scorpion at the opening, the code name for the 6.7L !
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6.4L NO

6.7L Yes

Also note the ad for the Ĺ ton hemi starts with a scorpion at the opening, the code name for the 6.7L !
Hadn't noticed that, thanks. How's the weather in Tempe? I was out there the first part of March on a business trip. It was the first time for me to be there for a few days and not just passing through the airport. The Phoenix/Tempe area is really nice.

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Hadn't noticed that, thanks. How's the weather in Tempe? I was out there the first part of March on a business trip. It was the first time for me to be there for a few days and not just passing through the airport. The Phoenix/Tempe area is really nice.
Nice this weekend finally got above freezing, was 102 Saturday and 105 Sunday. Freezing is 102, yes; well it is a dry heat, good for beer sales.

The local PBS aired a special on American transportation with a segment on the freeways in the Dallas area, wow !

Itís the ad with the bikers try to intimate the Dodge driver.
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Rumor has it Dodge will need DEF next year ?

anyone confirm ?

And yes it's lake weather Here in AZ finally

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Nice this weekend finally got above freezing, was 102 Saturday and 105 Sunday. Freezing is 102, yes; well it is a dry heat, good for beer sales.

The local PBS aired a special on American transportation with a segment on the freeways in the Dallas area, wow !

It’s the ad with the bikers try to intimate the Dodge driver.
Okay, I'll watch for it. Freezing is 102? LOL!! Sounds like Texas weather, except ours is not a dry heat. We don't really have winter here, just a little less hot...85 instead of 105, so I get your meaning.

I didn't see the PBS special, but speaking as someone who does it daily, let me tell you, driving in Dallas is an art form...or madness...depending on how you look at it. Most people use three things to drive here...the accelerator, the steering wheel, and the horn...all while talking or texting on the cell phone.

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I've been seeing the ads on TV for the new Dodge diesels, complete with Sam Elliot doing the voice-overs. One of the points in the ad is that Dodge does not need diesel exhaust fluid, but Ford and Chevy do. Huh? Diesel exhaust fluid? What the heck is that? My first thought was it was just a cute way of claiming Dodge gets better mileage than the others. Think about it...diesel exhaust fluid...the fluid needed to make diesel exhaust...diesel fuel. I know, it's a stretch, but I've heard advertisers say weird stuff before. Anyway, my curiousity got the better of me and I googled diesel exhaust fluid. Lo and behold, there is such a thing. This is what Wikipedia says.

Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is an aqueous urea solution used in Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) to lower NOx concentration in the exhaust emissions from diesel engines.

Okay, so my question is, do we have such an animal on the 6.4L? I looked through the owners's manual and could find nothing that mentions needing to fill or replace the diesel exhaust fluid as part of routine maintenance, nor could I find any reservoirs under the hood for it so I'm guessing we don't have anything like that on the 6.4L. Am I wrong?
As mentioned earlier, DEF is required on the new 6.7 Ford engines.

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Nice this weekend finally got above freezing, was 102 Saturday and 105 Sunday. Freezing is 102, yes; well it is a dry heat, good for beer sales.

The local PBS aired a special on American transportation with a segment on the freeways in the Dallas area, wow !

Itís the ad with the bikers try to intimate the Dodge driver.

Id die. I cant handle much above 90* in your guys' temp.

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