Updating to a job 2+ trans filtration setup

[ZeroOne]

Originally Posted by wontonrunner

What filter did you pay $150 for? The internal filter on a job 1 is $80 from the dealer, but it is only a fine mesh stainless steel screen so when he pulled the pan, he cleaned it out and cleaned the old screen and put it back in. The external filter was $30 if i recall correctly for a jobber and is suppose to be changed at 30,000 anyways.

The external filter is part of the standard flush anways and if you have to pull the pan to change the internal screen then why not keep the original one that doesnt need replacing rather than install a new one that you have to pay to replace because it cannot be cleaned.

The internal (p/n: 3C3Z-7A098-AA) on a job1 that has an external is just a screen (as you mention) and not a filter. It does not have to be replaced. The external is not the same as previous model year trucks with the $30 "toilet paper roll". It also requires a special tool to remove... though you can get around that.

The job1 external filter (FT-176 / 7C3Z-7B155-B) retails anywhere from $70-$150 bucks. The high end, being the dealer pricing. It is required every 30k miles.

MOTORCRAFT Part # FT176

Amazon.com: Ford 7C3Z-7B155-B - FILTER ASY - OIL: Automotive

Originally Posted by wontonrunner

10 % doesn't sound like a big number but when you consider that this is 10% of the fluid volume and consider that the fluid is circulated hundreds of thousands of times between flushes...that is still all of the fluid being filtered a significant amount of times between flushes.

That's true... 10% constantly can add up. I guess one of the main reasons for me is that when the trans is below 165*F, that filter only sees 10% of its normal filtration (so 1% total... 10% of 10%). I have quite a few short trips and my trans seems to take a long time to get up to temp compared to the engine. (I swapped to 4.56 gears.) That... and the price/availability difference makes the swap just as easy.

[SANDSAILOR]

What i want to know is if your doing a swap to make a job1 trans a job 2 trans dont you need more than just a filter and new pan? I mean what about where the filter mounts in the pan next to the valve body?

[Dusten]

Originally Posted by SANDSAILOR

What i want to know is if your doing a swap to make a job1 trans a job 2 trans dont you need more than just a filter and new pan? I mean what about where the filter mounts in the pan next to the valve body?

in the threads on TDS it has be determined that where the filter mounts to the valve body is the same. this has already been done a few trucks and proven to work.

[HoleShot08]

OK here is my 2cents. Just had the 60k service. The service manager said that ford is on longer droping the pan on job 1 trucks. The filter is cleaned when they do the flush, and the external filter cost me $35 on the bill for the service work.

Thanks, Mike

[ZeroOne]

Originally Posted by SANDSAILOR

What i want to know is if your doing a swap to make a job1 trans a job 2 trans dont you need more than just a filter and new pan? I mean what about where the filter mounts in the pan next to the valve body?

As Dusten said, the valve bodies have been the same (I think since 2005 or before, the thread said). It costs $$ to re-design and retool for them, so to do the external filter, they simply left off the internal one and kept everything else (besides the pan) the same.

[Dusten]

Originally Posted by HoleShot08

OK here is my 2cents. Just had the 60k service. The service manager said that ford is on longer droping the pan on job 1 trucks. The filter is cleaned when they do the flush, and the external filter cost me $35 on the bill for the service work.

Thanks, Mike

There are 2 very different external filters...

[wontonrunner]

Originally Posted by Dusten

There are 2 very different external filters...

I am with holeshot. I had this done. My filter on my job 1 was $30. $45 from ford and it only had the screen inside. I provided the filter and my buddy at ford did the work. Mine was a June 2007 build. Job 1. It had a tp style paper filter and it needed the fancy tool to get in as far as I know...it also had only a screen inside.

So if there is a very different external filter to that one that costs way more, it wasn't on the early job 1's with the screen inside.

As for not droping the pan...screw that...the pump is what drives the flush machine...how are the backflushing when the pump only drives one way? And if they are backflushing than where does all the crap that was in the screen go? Back into the pan which is never drained or cleaned unless you drop the pan...thats why i had them drop my pan.

[wontonrunner]

Originally Posted by ZeroOne

That's true... 10% constantly can add up. I guess one of the main reasons for me is that when the trans is below 165*F, that filter only sees 10% of its normal filtration (so 1% total... 10% of 10%). I have quite a few short trips and my trans seems to take a long time to get up to temp compared to the engine. (I swapped to 4.56 gears.) That... and the price/availability difference makes the swap just as easy.

Thats odd, my temp gage on my tranny starts moving within a block from my house and by the time i get to the freeway (3 blocks) its almost up to temp already. My water gage on the other hand takes forever to move.

[Dusten]

Originally Posted by wontonrunner

Thats odd, my temp gage on my tranny starts moving within a block from my house and by the time i get to the freeway (3 blocks) its almost up to temp already. My water gage on the other hand takes forever to move.

they are set differently. when i watch my dashdaq my coolant gauge reads 130+ before the dash moves. where as the trans gauge starts to move around 100 degrees. remember, they are different scales. the coolant runs about 199-205 and the trans usually sits around 160-165

[ZeroOne]

Originally Posted by wontonrunner

I am with holeshot. I had this done. My filter on my job 1 was $30. $45 from ford and it only had the screen inside. I provided the filter and my buddy at ford did the work. Mine was a June 2007 build. Job 1. It had a tp style paper filter and it needed the fancy tool to get in as far as I know...it also had only a screen inside.

So if there is a very different external filter to that one that costs way more, it wasn't on the early job 1's with the screen inside.

As for not droping the pan...screw that...the pump is what drives the flush machine...how are the backflushing when the pump only drives one way? And if they are backflushing than where does all the crap that was in the screen go? Back into the pan which is never drained or cleaned unless you drop the pan...thats why i had them drop my pan.

Wontonrunner, if you paid $30 for your filter, either you have a different one than all of the other early job-1 trucks (which I hadn't hear of prior to this thread) or your dealer has something screwed up in the pricing and you got a great deal!

My build date is 4/1/07 by the way, and I have the external under the bellhousing / behind the oil pan.

So we can figure out more about what Ford is doing, can you check for the filter with 4 lines under your bellhousing to see if it is not there on your truck? This filter requires a special tool to remove. (photo below) It also comes with a "screen" type in the pan.

If you do not have it, where is the other "toilet paper" filter located on your truck?

Thanks!

Also, I should have been more clear that I was using a Livewire to monitor the actual temperatures for the fluids and not the gauges. Sorry for any confusion that caused.