NEW 2011 SUPER DUTY SPY PICS!!!

[hammett88]

I'm simply talking about the emissions equipment on the upcoming ford..
You don't see gm or dodge dumping money into urea injection.. Why?.. Cause they're fighting bankruptcy..

And yes the 6.7 is 2010 compliant but everyone I talk to says theirs stays in shop getting reflashed,turbo cleaned, de glogged.. A guy I know and his son both have a 6.7 and they bought a trailer to haul their trucks to the dealer with cause they were tired of paying a wrecker.. This is fact..

The rental company I believe was budget.. Not sure..

But anyways wasn't trying to push buttons.. Just complimenting ford for dumping millions into technology that hasn't been long term proven yet.. I know they've been studying it for a long time.. When they first started they studied how diesel smoke has the ability to form a suspension in a closed room.. For some reason

[benjamin24]

Originally Posted by 99Smokin73Stroker

Remember those tailpipe flames?

I would've ordered those if they were an option.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by 99Smokin73Stroker

6.7 isn't even out yet, and you call it amazing? Who knows what the 6.7 could be, it might be amazing, but it also might be worse than what it replaces.

And Dodge doesn't have to put the money into, they already did. CTD 2010 certified.

It seems pretty amazing so far, and with all the warranty issues they had to deal with from the 6.0, i'm pretty sure that any engine they put on the market is going to be nothing short of amazing.

Dodge didn't have to put any money in it because the engine is made by Cummins. And from what i've heard the new 6.7 cummins are piles of chit anyway.

[superdutydixie]

holy hell exhaust!! I've never seen anything that big under a truck

[Jake]

I just went back and looked at that exhaust again and holy chit. It actually kinda pissed me off because this is the chit we have to do to meet these ridiculous EPA standards. I wonder how much that exhaust crap costs. The EPA is gonna kill truck sales even worse because new trucks are gonna cost so damn much because of this crap that noone will be able to afford one.

[SpartanDieselTech]

Originally Posted by 99Smokin73Stroker

6.7 isn't even out yet, and you call it amazing? Who knows what the 6.7 could be, it might be amazing, but it also might be worse than what it replaces.

Not trying to be arrogant, but "it also might be worse than what it replaces" won't fly. Ive sat in one. I've driven one. I talk to a handful of the development engineers on virtually a daily basis. Scott (our head calibrator) has too.

It is as good or better an engine than the 6.4L. Yes, there is more emissions equipment. All of which are revised designs from what is equipped on the 6.4L and are far less prone to failure. The SCR is the only unfielded component, but has undergone a very large amount of testing.

The 6R140 transmission is physically stronger than the 5R110, and when calibrated properly will handle power levels that the stock 5R110 hardware will not.

It has an air-to-water intercooler. It has a VGT turbocharger with a mechanical wastegate. It has a 4-piston common rail injection pump. It has heads the size of a small house anchored to the block with the force of GOD and other design implementations that I could only WISH showed up on the market years ago. The 2-piece crankcase design used is even stronger than what is currently used in the 6.0/6.4L crankcases. The compacted graphite iron crankcase and alloy aluminum heads have very advanced metallurgy that you won't find anywhere else currently other than some of the higher end european cars.

Peak tuned power levels will be comparable to what we are seeing with the 6.4L (with totally stock parts) with, IMO, enhanced durability. Small bolt-on parts will *perhaps* make it even more capable.

When all aspects of engineering are looked at objectively (power, drivability, emissions, NVH, ect) there has not been a step backward in any progressing generation of the Powerstroke. 7.3 < 6.0 < 6.4 < 6.7.

The 7.3L has a garbage lower engine design (by today's standards) and a garbage injection system. The 6.0 has a garbage injection system and an emissions system with no durability. The 6.4L has, at worst, a questionable emissions system. The 6.7 for all practical purposes has none of the forementioned issues.

So to address your statement, yes, it is amazing.

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Last edited by SpartanDieselTech : 08-10-2009 at 03:06 PM.

[Jake]

Not to get off topic but how is the 7.3 bottom end design garbage?

[SpartanDieselTech]

Originally Posted by Jake

Not to get off topic but how is the 7.3 bottom end design garbage?

For its time, it might be an overzealous statement, but compared to the 2-piece crankcase/solid bedplate design used in all designs afterwards, the durability flat out isn't there. There are plenty of pictures of 500-600RWHP 7.3L crankcases around, with cranks and splits from the main webbing damn nearly all the way through the block. Not to mention the PMR rods in the 6.4L are holding flawlessly up to the 750RWHP range. Even forged 7.3L rods fail quickly at those levels.

[Jarrod B]

Originally Posted by BigKid

DPF delete on that thing will increase your fuel mileage just by dropping the 300 hundred pounds! Man that was huge.

And yes, I do hope that exhaust tip is only for testing, I hope to never see a ford diesel with the bazooka tip

Originally Posted by po-po 5.0

you 7.3 people....

we are still chuggin allong

Originally Posted by pickupman99

that may be true but at least i dont have to worry about egrs and dpfs.
oh and by the way steriods are illegal

but we "currently" dont test for steriods in trucks.

Originally Posted by hammett88

I'm simply talking about the emissions equipment on the upcoming ford..
You don't see gm or dodge dumping money into urea injection.. Why?.. Cause they're fighting bankruptcy..

And yes the 6.7 is 2010 compliant but everyone I talk to says theirs stays in shop getting reflashed,turbo cleaned, de glogged.. A guy I know and his son both have a 6.7 and they bought a trailer to haul their trucks to the dealer with cause they were tired of paying a wrecker.. This is fact..

The rental company I believe was budget.. Not sure..

But anyways wasn't trying to push buttons.. Just complimenting ford for dumping millions into technology that hasn't been long term proven yet.. I know they've been studying it for a long time.. When they first started they studied how diesel smoke has the ability to form a suspension in a closed room.. For some reason

Originally Posted by SpartanDieselTech

Not trying to be arrogant, but "it also might be worse than what it replaces" won't fly. Ive sat in one. I've driven one. I talk to a handful of the development engineers on virtually a daily basis. Scott (our head calibrator) has too.

It is as good or better an engine than the 6.4L. Yes, there is more emissions equipment. All of which are revised designs from what is equipped on the 6.4L and are far less prone to failure. The SCR is the only unfielded component, but has undergone a very large amount of testing.

The 6R140 transmission is physically stronger than the 5R110, and when calibrated properly will handle power levels that the stock 5R110 hardware will not.

It has an air-to-water intercooler. It has a VGT turbocharger with a mechanical wastegate. It has a 4-piston common rail injection pump. It has heads the size of a small house anchored to the block with the force of GOD and other design implementations that I could only WISH showed up on the market years ago. The 2-piece crankcase design used is even stronger than what is currently used in the 6.0/6.4L crankcases. The compacted graphite iron crankcase and alloy aluminum heads have very advanced metallurgy that you won't find anywhere else currently other than some of the higher end european cars.

Peak tuned power levels will be comparable to what we are seeing with the 6.4L (with totally stock parts) with, IMO, enhanced durability. Small bolt-on parts will *perhaps* make it even more capable.

When all aspects of engineering are looked at objectively (power, drivability, emissions, NVH, ect) there has not been a step backward in any progressing generation of the Powerstroke. 7.3 < 6.0 < 6.4 < 6.7.

The 7.3L has a garbage lower engine design (by today's standards) and a garbage injection system. The 6.0 has a garbage injection system and an emissions system with no durability. The 6.4L has, at worst, a questionable emissions system. The 6.7 for all practical purposes has none of the forementioned issues.

So to address your statement, yes, it is amazing.

WOW. that makes total sense.

and ya if you compair the 7.3 to the 6.7 theres a vast difference. but that has come and gone. time to move on with technology.

[TwinTurboStroker]

.....wonder what the grill is going to look like and how much heavier that sum b!tch is going to be