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post #1 of 10 Old 10-08-2007, 02:59 PM Thread Starter
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Need help deciding on tuner

I'm looking a getting an SCT, does the live wire eleminate having to get gages or do you still need gages, if so I'm going to go ahead and get the xcal2, any help is greatly appreciated, trying to mod up the truck for the NC event.

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Airaid filter and cold air
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4in. Banks monster exhaust with no cat to 5in. tip
SCT x3
Autometer Z series gages and duall pillar pod
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Yes, the livewire is a performance monitor. It replaces a whole bunch of gauges. I don't personally like the look of it, but it should work fine if you like it. I'm still on the fence whether to install a Quadzilla commander or analog gauges myself.


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I just know I want a SCT and the live wire is about the same price as getting a xcal2 and boost and pyro gage, so if it will work just the same and eleminate having to buy all the extra gages is it a better deal?

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6speed 6.0L
Airaid filter and cold air
Zoodad
4in. Banks monster exhaust with no cat to 5in. tip
SCT x3
Autometer Z series gages and duall pillar pod
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The LiveWire will do just about everything. I'm starting to wish that I had gone that route. It is not without it's weakness' though. It does not power down when turn the key off. You have to manually turn it off. There is no real good mount system for it and it is LARGE. There have been some screen darkening issues as well.

All in all after the experience that I have had with a Commander so far, I wish I would have gotten the LW. More functions to monitor, performance monitors, real-time accurate readings of what the ECM is seeing and the ability to store more tunes than the Xcal2. My Commander does not accurately read coolant temp nor will it read oil temp unless I were to hook the tranny temp gauge up to read engine oil temp. If I did that I would lose my tranny temp. I do believe that the LW will be more refined in the next year and hopefully perfected.

Another cheaper option for you is the 3 gauge package and pod that DPP has a special on right now. As I recall you get water, boost and pyro gauges with a 3 gauge pod for under $200! For around $600 you could have your tunes and gauges. Remember that the pyro probe for the LW is an additional $200. The $600 price that you usually see advertised for the LW does not include the pyro probe.

By the way, I have been talking with Quazilla's tech support people and their only answer for anything seems to be "try loading the most recent update off of our website". Thank you pre-programmed support person. I have already loaded the latest update.
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Thank you for the Input 720deere, that was alot of good info I did not know it was another two hundrede dollars for the pyro prbe.

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Airaid filter and cold air
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SCT x3
Autometer Z series gages and duall pillar pod
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i went with analog gauges. easier to read at a glance. the livewire has some bugs still.
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I went with the Xcal3 and a Commander monitor. Very easy to hook up, integrates better into the vehicle (IMO), and was more cost effective for me than a LiveWire or an Xcal w/ guages. The Commander has worked flawlessly for me... (knock on wood).

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-DIY stereo system (Alpine, JL, Quart, Polk)
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I say get the commander, i have one and any problems i have had with it, the tech support has taken care of. I sent it back in once and it came back working like a charm and it didnt cost a dime.

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I am currently trying to purchase a commander and will be using it to control my future Wildman chip...

but, if you really want to know how the Livewire is in a 6.0 -- check with Rodslinger -- he has one!

I personally don't like the 3 guage pods and having guages up that high, especially at night.

but either way you do, the xcal3 and guages/commander or livewire -- you'll be good to go!
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