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Amazed at the difference in forums for these 6.0L's
So, I suppose this thread is more venting than anything. Sorry, don't mean to clutter the site that way, BUT, I recently joined another forum and actually, I was doing some research on the V10's. That's when I noticed that they had a forum for diesels too. So, I responded to a thread that someone posted about wanting to know more about the 6.0L and it's variety of issues. I felt that what I posted was nothing more than honesty. WOW! Did I ever get blasted! I can't help thinking that all on that forum are in some state of denial about the issues that plague these engines. I'll admit, that day I was a little upset about mine. I probably shouldn't have been. My engine had 2 injectors crap out on me. Not that big of a deal in the big scheme of things. It could have been MUCH worse, I know. I'll admit that I referred to the PowerStroke as "junk". Now keep in mine that there are MANY that will agree with me. Probably just as many will not. There are plenty of examples of engines with over 200M miles on them with no issues. I realize that. I also know that just about every engine will have their own unique problems. But the International 6.0L has so many issues, that it has earned an infamous reputation. Not just in Ford's either. I have 2 medium duty Internationals with this engine and they have more issues than they should at less than 100M miles. Both have been maintained to the letter at the dealer too, so I have some pretty first hand experience with this.
Here is my position; We all paid a premium for the diesel option, even if we bought used. When I pay a premium for something, I expect something in return. In the case of a diesel engine, I expect durability, performance when towing and better mileage. I don't think that's unreasonable. When an engine manufacturer produces an engine that promises these things and does not fulfill, disappointment and anger set it. This is the case with SO many PowerStroke owners. What made it worse, is that the previous PowerStroke, the bullet proof 7.3L was and still is a great engine. Yes, the 6.0L has some enhancements, but a vehicle will literally fall apart around a still running 7.3L. This only made matters worse for International. I have read many stories about possible Class Action Law Suits against International over the 6.0L., although I personally don't think any will gain traction. Engines that do not earn bad reputions don't have these threats looming, so to those who claim that the bad reputation is not justified with the 6.0L, I say you must be in some sort of denial state to perhaps justify a poor choice of engines. These engines DO have far more issues than they should. That doesn't mean that there are'nt good ones out there. If you have one, you are indeed fortunate. Pray that this does change for you. I also realize that many of these issues are caused by the "modders" who want to turn their diesels in to hot-rods. That is NOT what these are intended for. If you want a hot-rod, go buy an old GTO or something.
I don't mean to trash talk the 6.0L. Why I do state these things is the very reason that I read through these threads. To learn. Someone who is considering buying a 6.0L MUST read and learn about the issues with these engines so that they can make a well educated decision to buy. I learned enough that when I bought mine, I avoided the very early builds. I have over 200M miles on mine and I have had a few issues. But the mechanic that I use said that mine is the cleanest PowerStroke that he works on, so I suppose I can't complain too much. But if we pay a premium for the engine and then have to throw wads of cash at it to keep them running good, then that is NOT good value. I've been around diesels for decades. I am a former diesel mechanic myself, so I know my way around engines. Still wrench on them when time permits. But space age technology limits my abilities. I know from experience that Cummins run for a very long time with not too many issues. I have 2 GMC vans at work with the DuraMax diesels. Both have over 100M miles and neither one has been to the dealership with a problem. THAT is durability. Naturally, it's all about how an engine is maintained.
Sorry for the wordy thread. I do like my 6.0L. I am the first to admit that it probably wasn't the best choice I've made in an engine. And I will tell anyone who asks what the issues are. These engines can be fun and cool, but to deny the problems, like all of the guys on the 'other site' is just foolish.
You aren't fooling anyone.