How much is the hardware side of it? How would you compare this with the edge insight?

 

The Gateway Bluetooth module is $170 plus shipping. I'm not sure how it compares to the Edge Insight CS/CTS, I've never owned one,

But sure would be nice for a CS/CTS owner to chime in and see what they think of the DashBoss features and the video I posted, to compare the two.

 

I forgot to mention, it also has video out which allows you to use a external monitor or a double din screen radio that has inputs.

The video out requires the apple composite cable, I'm not sure if the apple VGA cable will work if using a iPhone4 or iPad, but I can test the VGA cable later on with a PC monitor I have laying around.

 

All that and you don't have to spend another 160$ on an Accessory system and then another 140$ on the sensor system and another 140$ on the pressure sensor attachment?

Makes a guy wish he never bought into it!

Only downside to this would be that Im always shuffling the iPod, that's it.

 

I haven't added any external ports yet for psi or temp. The DashBoss need to be used with a 0-5v sending unit. After doing a quick search, I found that Autometer #2246 pressure sensor uses 0-5v signal. Summit has this sending unit for $106, then you would either need a wire harness or make your own. The wire harness for the #2246 from summit is $16 part #5227.

 

I like the idea of sending it to a screen in the dash... Is it compatible with the Pioneer appradio?

 

Not yet, but they are working on it.
http://www.dashboss.com/releasenotes.html

 

Looks VERY cool! I'm assuming that it can only monitor specific PID's that it is programmed for. Does it have a way (like the ScanGauge) where you can customize the PID's? Also, what is the refresh frequency of the 12 PID's? I notice that when using my AE and I have 9 graphs showing, that it will sometimes take a bit between refreshes of the data. Have you noticed anything like that with this setup? The video is very colorful and the graphs are something the Edge Insight doesn't have. Sounds like another cool option for data monitoring/data logging!

 

You can only monitor the pre-programmed PID's, your not able to tweak them.


I didn't take notice of a delay, but since you mentioned it I'll keep an eye out for it. Once I read your post, I remembered a related post on the DashBoss forum with the same issue.
http://www.dashboss.com/forums/index.php?topic=17.0

 

Hey Shawn, I can find out from the DashBoss team on what the refresh rate is when data logging 12 PID'S.

Here's a short video, I'm running 12 PID's and you can see how the DashBoss reacts when compared to the OEM factory gauge (RPM).

 

Thanks for the info about the dashboss.

 

No problem, if you have issues, you can contact Ken. Either thru his email or the DashBoss forum. His customer service is just like Vivian's at Quicktricks!!

I really think this set-up will give another option for monitoring the motor with the 6.0 PSD. Next month I'm gonna buy the hardware needed for the external ports for temp and psi. Ill just swap out my analog EGT probe in the exhaust manifold (also have a bung in the down pipe), and for psi i'll buy a fuel filter cap and compare readings to my analog gauge that's in the test port.

 

Thanks, Rich. That looks about what I would expect and is probably darn near what my Insight is like. I wonder if it's just the CAN protocol that seems to cause the issue or if it's AutoEnginuity... :dunno:

 

Hey Shawn, I did contact the DashBoss team with your question. Here is a copy/past with the question I asked and their reply.


I do have a question that was asked on the one forum. When data logging, how fast is the refresh rate when logging 12 PID's at once? I know with the AE you can log 9 PID's, but with all 9 PID's recording the logging rate can get slowed down.

The data rate is higher than the DashHawk was and depending on your iOS device (the dual processor iPhone 4S and iPad 2 are slightly faster) you'll get somewhere around a group of all 12 parameters (plus some 'ghost ones' that aren't displayed directly but are used for calculations and status) at about 10-15 "frames" a second.

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NICE! Sounds like it would keep up quite well for my needs...

NOW, when are they gonna release the Android version? oke

 

NOW, when are they gonna release the Android version? oke

I can find out. Give me a day or two to find out.

 

So can you not use the cheaper BT adapters like the Torque app can use? Vgate v1.5 Mini Small ELM327 OBD2 OBDII Bluetooth Adapter Scanner TORQUE ANDROID | eBay

I'm due for a phone upgrade and am torn between an Apple or another Android phone. I was leaning towards another Android because of the Torque app but if this app seems to look good and accurate I could go for the iPhone.

 

With DashBoss, you have to buy their Bluetooth Gateway module. The module holds the Firmware to work with the app.

Not only do they update the app in iTunes, they also update the Gateway module for newer or more vehicles. The Gateway firmware is where it reads your VIN to bring up the parameters when you first connect to the truck. So you'll be able to use this on multiple vehicles.

 

This might be a silly question but how does this sit with all the new distracted driver laws popping up lately?
Police are watching for cell phone use......could this or any other cell phone monitor be considered "cell phone use"?

 

I would think that they might as well pull over people who have GPS, Sirius radio, Edge Insights, ect,ect. All these can be considered a distraction.

Your not driving around with the phone to your ear. Heck, having two small children in the back seat arguing is very distracting. WILL YOU STOP TOUCHING ME!!!! I'M TELLING DAD!!! LOL!!!!

 

I wish this was out a year ago. Much better option than the insight CS that I am running now (cheaper and better screen). I already had my iphone mounted in the truck. If my CS keeps acting up (auto shutdown problem), I may ditch it and go with the dash boss. I am already using the autometer sender and wiring harness in the CS. I would just have to make sure the EGT sender is 0-5V.

 

so what is the release date on this product?

 

I can get an answer sometime tomorrow.

 

I have a question for you Canada members.

The DashBoss team is thinking about getting rid of the decimal value in the Fahrenheit PID's, it's really not needed.

But for you member up north that use celsius, would you want or need to have the decimal value in the temperature readings?

Thanks, Rich

 

Any members want to comment ^^^^^^^^^

Here is an example: some of the temp readings are showing a decimal reading of 191.4* in fahrenheit. The preferred reading would be just 191* with out the decimal.

What would you northern neighbors prefer, with or without the decimal?

 

Have you tested the accuracy vs Auto Ingenuity or a snap-on scanner or something like that? It seems sometimes the Torque app has accuracy issues where corrected values have to be put in the formula's. I think this is the way of the future over self contained monitoring systems.

 

I used AE to confirm the temps, boost, volts, and MAP, MAF, IAT, IAT2, ICP, IPR, VGT readings.

I still have to check and confirm the trans readings, APP, and IPW.

 

This looks really good, think I would have considered this route over my Cts.
now I don't know if it's just mine but my Cts gets lost if I get on it hard, when in the 8 digital gauge view all readings blank for a couple of seconds then right back on (yes currant update). Is this something you seen on the dashboss? We all know you like to stand on the skinny pedal seen the vids LOL

 

LOL!! That video can be incriminating!!!

I have not experienced blank readings, I just got done playing with the 1/8 and 1/4 mile runs without issues, well the only issue was the crappy times from spinning the duals.

After using the 1/8 and 1/4 runs, you not only get a time slip, but your able to look at the graph of the 4 selected parameters that were displayed on that screen.

You might want to contact Edge about your issue, or post up a thread for other Edge users to help resolve the blank readings.

 

Thanks, Rich. I have an iPhone 3Gs from work and am eligible for an upgrade. I'm holding out because my personal phone is an Android and that's where I load up all my apps, so there's no real reason to upgrade yet... Maybe there is now!

 

This looks like a great app. and with some real thought out features. The thing that always confused me about my SCT was the battery voltage had no decimals but the EGT went to .oo1. Do you know if a sct egt probe will work?

Can 6 readings be displayed instead of 12, just thinking that the numbers get pretty small with 12?

 

I'm not sure about the SCT EGT probe, I haven't gotten that far with testing out the external ports. I do know that the probe or sending unit must be a 0-5v to work with the DashBoss. I have been informed that one of the beta testers has a working EGT/external port hooked up to his cummins.

You can't reduce the amount of PID's on the screen. I can ask them if it's possible to have an optional 6 PID's on screen instead of 12.

Edit:: meant to say can't.

 

Baro and Batt volts were added!! Next week I'm gonna be ordering a EGT probe and possibly a Fuel psi sensor to hook up the external ports and test. I'll keep you all posted.

I've been informed, this beta version will be released to iTunes shortly!! Just doing some tweaking to video out.

 

Glad I didn't get rid of my old iTouch, I cant wait to get the clunky livewire out of the ****pit. Good to here about the bat. volts too. Thanks for the updates

 

I made my own mount, don't like the suction cup iOS holders.

I used 1/8 Lexan, cut to shape, used heat gun to bend, then Velcro to dash.

 

I'll be ordering the external port sensors next weekend. I'm gonna have to test them out for accuracy. I'll be adding EGT and Fuel psi to the DashBoss, estimated cost of the external add ons $110!!!

If these external parts work well with the DashBoss, total cost--- DashBoss ($170), K-type EGT probe ($53), K-type adapter/converter 0-5v ($20), Fuel psi sensor 0-5v ($30), wire/plugs ($10). Total cost of monitor system for 6.0 $283 not including the cost of iOS device.

Will keep you posted

Rich

 

Update:

I ordered the parts needed for the external ports to monitor EGT and Fuel psi, should have them in hand by the following weekend.

I will keep you all posted with my results.

I have been informed that DashBoss has submitted the newest app version (1.3) to iTunes. Once approved, the Ford PID's will be available to the public.

Rich

 

Can you possibly get a list of vehicles this will support?