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Will a tuner replace an egr delete?

I am interested in buying the SCT SF3 Tuner. I noticed on the descriptions tab it states "Removes the Exhaust Gas Recirculation functions from normal engine operation." Does that mean if I install this tuner I don't need to do an EGR Delete?

If not, what does that mean?
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Old 06-27-2011, 09:36 AM
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I just talked to their tech support, and they said it does not replace the EGR Delete, but it stops about 90% of the effect.

So, that tells me that is would be a good idea to get the tuner now, to at least minimize the effect of the EGR valve, watch my gauges, and when my oil cooler starts to go, at that time replace the oil cooler & do the delete kit. (Unless I end up with an extra Stack of money & I can do it sooner).

Sound like a reasonable approach?
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Will recommend to buy a data monitor of some sort! ScanGuage II is a great option for data monitoring.
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Need to monitor oil temp and coolant temp. Those are critical for the 6.0L owners! Also the ScanGuage can monitor FICM voltage, ICP pressure, Boost, etc. Nice tool for less than 200 bucks
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watch my gauges, and when my oil cooler starts to go, at that time replace the oil cooler & do the delete kit. (Unless I end up with an extra Stack of money & I can do it sooner).

Sound like a reasonable approach?
Sounds like a good plan. Just watch those gauges.
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Don't think I need the Scan Gauge 2, since I now have EOT, ECT, ExT, & Fuel Pressure gauges. The basic Scan Guage looks like it has nice fuel monitoring stats though. However, since my on-board computer monitors trip & instant MPG, the only thing that would really add is being able to monitor the actual cost, isn't it?

Anyone ever compare the accuracy of the stock monitor compared to one of these?
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As long as you have gauges other than the stock "idiot light" style gauge, you would be ok to watch the eot/ect spread.
The scangauge2 is quite the tool for under 200 bucks, tough to beat the cost versus what it can monitor that you can't any other way (beyond a much more expensive system).
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Here are just a few gauges the ScangaugeII can read. These are Xgauges, and need to be entered into the SGII. Very simple once you have done a couple.


FICM Vehicle Power (Volts) (Should be 12 Volts, should not drop below 10.25 for more than 60 seconds, or 9.0 for 4 seconds. TSB 09-24-03)

TXD: 07E02209CE

RXF: 0462450906CE

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006401000000

NAM: FVP


FICM Logic Power (Volts) (Should be 12 volts)

TXD: 07E02209CF

RXF: 0462450906CF

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006401000000

NAM: FLP

FICM Main Power (Volts) (Should be 47-48) Your FMP should never dip below 45. If it does, your FICM is toast and needs repaired or replaced.

TXD: 07E02209D0

RXF: 0462450906D0

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006401000000

NAM: FMP

VGT Duty Cycle (%)

TXD: 07E022096D

RXF: 04620509066D

RXD: 3010

MTH: 00647FFF0000

NAM: VGT

Engine Oil Temp

TXD: 07E0221310

RXF: 046245130610

RXD: 3010

MTH: 00090005F05F (00090005FFD8 alternate MTH found)

NAM: EOT

Trans. Fluid Temp

TXD: 07E1221674

RXF: 046205160674

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100080000

NAM: TFT
Horsepower

TXD: 00

RXF: 400080000000

RXD: 0000

MTH: 000A00240000

NAM: HPR

Inj. Control Press. (ICP / HPOP)

TXD: 07E0221446

RXF: 046205140646

RXD: 3010

MTH: 003900640000

NAM: IPR


ICP Voltage (Volts)

TXD: 07E02216AD

RXF: 0462451606AD

RXD: 3010

MTH: 004827100000

NAM: ICV


IPR Duty Cycle

TXD: 07E0221434

RXF: 046285140634

RXD: 3008

MTH: 0DCA03E8000A

NAM: IPR %

Throttle Position 1 (Volts)

TXD: 07E0220917

RXF: 046245090617

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006404000000

NAM: TP1

Note: Voltage of the ETC Throttle Position Sensor number 1

Throttle Position 2 (Volts)

TXD: 07E0220918

RXF: 046245090618

RXD: 3010
MTH: 0064040000000

NAM: TP2

Note: Voltage of the ETC Throttle Position Sensor number 2
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Throttle Position Desired (Degrees)

TXD: 07E022091A

RXF: 04624509061A

RXD: 3010

MTH: 0064020000000

NAM: TPD

Note: ETC Commanded Throttle Angle, in degrees.

Throttle Position Actual (Degrees)

TXD: 07E022093C

RXF: 04624509063C

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006402000000

NAM: TPA

Note: The measured throttle angle from the throttle sensor inputs.

EGR Duty Cycle (Percent)

TXD: 07E022166E

RXF: 04620516066E

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006440000000

NAM: EGR

EGR Throttle Position Control Signal

TXD: 07E022096C

RXF: 04620509066C

RXD: 3010

MTH: 00647FFF0000

NAM: ETP

EGR Valve Position (mm)

TXD: 07E022096A

RXF: 04620509066A

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: EVP

Note: EGR Valve Position in hundredths of a millimeter, where 0 mm indicates a closed EGR valve position.

EGR Valve Position Desired (%)

TXD: 07E02209D2

RXF: 0462050906D2

RXD: 3010

MTH: 00647FFF0000

NAM: EVD

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

EGR Valve Position Measured (%)

TXD: 07E02209FE

RXF: 0462050906FE

RXD: 3010

MTH: 00647FFF0000

NAM: EVM
Note: MEASURED EGR Valve Position, in %, where a low value indicates a closed EGR valve (0 EGR flow), and a high value indicates an open EGR valve.



EGR Valve Position (Volts 0-5)

TXD: 07E022167E

RXF: 04620516067E

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000133330000

NAM: EGV

Camshaft & Crankshaft Sync (1 = in sync, 0 = not in sync)

TXD: 07E02209CD

RXF: 0462050906CD

RXD: 3000 (3001 alternate)

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: SYC

Intake Air Temperature 2 (Fahrenheit)

TXD: 07E02216A8

RXF: 0462051606A8

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: IA2

Manifold Air Temperature (F)

TXD: 07E02216E0

RXF: 0462051606E0

RXD: 3008

MTH: 00090005FFD8

NAM: MAT


Barometric Pressure

TXD: 07E0221127

RXF: 045285110627

RXD: 3008

MTH: 003100500000

NAM: BMP

Exhaust Back Pressure

TXD: 07E0221445

RXF: 046285140645

RXD: 3010

MTH: 001D00500000

NAM: EBP

Fuel Level

TXD: 007E02216C1

RXF: 0462451606C1

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000101480000

NAM: FL

Volume Fuel Desired

TXD: 07E0221411

RXF: 046245140611

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006400100000

NAM: VFD

Mass Fuel Desired (Milligrams Per Stroke)

TXD: 07E0221412

RXF: 046205140612

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100100000

NAM: MFD


Engine Run Time (Minutes)

TXD: 07DF011F

RXF: 0441051F

RXD: 2810

MTH: 0001003C0000

NAM: ERT

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Fan Speed Sensor (RPM)

TXD: 07E022099F

RXF: 04620509069F

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100040000

NAM: FSS

Fan Speed Sensor Duty Cycle (%)

TXD: 07E022091F

RXF: 04624509061F

RXD: 3010

MTH: 013103E80000

NAM: FDC

Manifold Absolute Pressure (PSI) (BOOST)

TXD: 07E0221440

RXF: 046285140640

RXD: 3010

MTH: 012203200000

NAM: PSI

MAP is a standard gauge - but this XGauge is actually better than the standard one. It has a larger range which was needed because the standard gauge tops out around 37 psi absolute (about 22 lbs of boost), which diesels have no problem doing. This one should read well beyond 22lbs of boost.

With a little tweaking you can adjust this to read boost as you said.


To do this, just plug in the MAP code - get a reading from it with the key in the on position but the engine off, then based on the reading changed the last 4 digits of the MTH to whatever corresponds to your reading on this table


14.0 -- FF74

14.1 -- FF73

14.2 -- FF72

14.3 -- FF71

14.4 -- FF70

14.5 -- FF6F

14.6 -- FF6E

14.7 -- FF6D

14.8 -- FF6C

14.9 -- FF6B

15.0 -- FF6A


So, for example if you got a reading of 14.5 PSI with key on engine off you'd change the MTH to 01220320FF6F and the reading should read 0.0 with key on engine off and would then show how many lbs of boost you were at when the vehicle is running.

Injector Timing Before Top Dead Center (Degrees)

TXD: 07E02209CC

RXF: 0462850906CC

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000A00400000

NAM: ITM

Fuel Injector Pulse Width (Microseconds)

TXD: 07E0221410

RXF: 046205140610

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000800010000

NAM: FPW


Fuel Injector #1 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3001

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI1

Fuel Injector #2 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3101

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI2

Fuel Injector #3 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3201

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI3

Fuel Injector #4 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3301

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI4

Fuel Injector #5 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3401

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI5

Fuel Injector #6 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3501

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI6

Fuel Injector #7 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3601

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI7



Fuel Injector #8 Commanded (On/0ff)

TXD: 07E02209EF

RXF: 0462250906EF

RXD: 3701

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: FI8

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cylinder #1 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E022160E

RXF: 04620516060E

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 1CM

Cylinder #2 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E022160F

RXF: 04620516060F

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 2CM

Cylinder #3 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E0221610

RXF: 046205160610

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 3CM

Cylinder #4 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E0221611

RXF: 046205160611

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 4CM

Cylinder #5 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E0221612

RXF: 046205160612

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 5CM

Cylinder #6 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E0221613

RXF: 046205160613

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 6CM

Cylinder #7 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E0221614

RXF: 046205160614

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 7CM

Cylinder #8 Cumulative Misfires

TXD: 07E0221615

RXF: 046205160615

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: 8CM


Gear (Transmission Gear)

TXD: 07E12211B3

RXF: 0462051106B3

RXD: 3008

MTH: 000100020000

NAM: GER


Vehicle Speed Sensor (MPH)

TXD: 07E02211C1

RXF: 0462051106C1

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000102000000

NAM: VSS


Accelerator Pedal Position (%)

TXD: 07E02209D4

RXF: 0462050906D4

RXD: 3008

MTH: 000100020000

NAM: AP%


DTC Count (Diagnostic Trouble Code Count)

TXD: 07E0220200

RXF: 046205020600

RXD: 3008

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: DTC




VREF (Calibration Voltage Input)

TXD: 07E0221155

RXF: 046245110655

RXD: 3010

MTH: 006433330000

NAM: CVI


Net Torque into Torque Converter (Ft-Lbs)

TXD: 07E02209CB

RXF: 0462050906CB

RXD: 3010

MTH: 000100010000

NAM: TRQ





















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Dang, that's a lot of info.
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Those are just some. A few more have been added along the way. So, you can see why $160 for this gauge is pretty amazing. Also, right now if you join (for free) cleanmpg.com, you can pick one up for $135. They are having a group buy.

CleanMPG, An authoritative source on fuel economy and hypermiling

Scroll down and keep your eye on the left side. It will show a group buy on it.
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