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Old 05-03-2011, 06:34 AM
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Hello, Iím fairly new to this forum. Iíve done a lot of reading, but not a lot of posting. There is ton of great info here, so ďthanksĒ to everyone who has contributed.

I picked up my first 6.0 about two months ago with the intention of pulling a 5th wheel camper with it. Itís a 2006 F350 CC dually. It looked and ran good. The OASIS report that I got from this site checked out. No major issues. My question is about upgrades though. I havenít done anything to the truck yet other than add an Edge Insight so I can monitor what is going on. So far EOT and ECT have stayed around 7-9 degrees difference. There was one time when the difference got to 15 degrees while towing my 5th wheel, but it was just for a few seconds going up a hill. Not sure if that is anything to be concerned about though. Iím planning on installing a coolant filter, bypass oil filter, egt probe, fuel pressure gauge, and Magnaflow exhaust, along with doing the Zoodad mod. I just want to keep eye on everything and keep it clean and cool. Does anyone see anything out of line with that combo? I would also like to put a mild tune to it, but Iím unsure if itís a good idea. Iíve seen some folks say that you want to stud the engine before tuning, but is that really necessary? I donít abuse my trucks and I donít want a hot rod. Iím looking for a good, reliable towing vehicle. I thought about getting an SCT with a towing tune. What do you guys think?
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The 15* delta concerns me a bit. Since it was during a climb, it might be explained away, but during normal driving it is still 7-9* off. It should be closer than that - more like 3-5*. At any rate, you bought your truck for the exact same reason that I did. I wanted it to be a reliable tow vehicle for pulling my 5th wheel trailer. Your ideas sound really good for improving reliability in your tow vehicle. Depending on how heavy your trailer is and since you don't have head studs, I would consider a stock replacement tune that turns off your EGR valve. You might consider talking to Matt@Gearhead Automotive about tunes. (I have a stock replacement-called Unlimited Tow-that I use during the summer months when I tow here in the desert of AZ). Also be aware that an oil bypass filtration system will not allow you to increase your oil change intervals since the injectors shear the oil down too quickly. I change my oil at 5k intervals religiously. I just don't want to risk damaging injectors or engine components because I wanted to run the oil for just a little bit longer.
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The momentary delta like that is nothing to be too concerned with, as long as you're normally operating below a 15* spread.

Welcome to the ORG, by the way.

That Insight is the first big step in towing with the 6.0L confidently. The short list you have planned will work for towing, you won't need a seperate gauge for fuel pressure though. Edge has their expansion system out now, make you get the expandable EGT probe, and get the fuel pressure form Edge. It will make for a cleaner install to your Insight.

Wanting a little more peice of mind, get a flush and swap over to a silicate-free ELC. Rebuild your oil cooler (ensures all silicate build up is out of your system) and solve the EGR cooler issue with either a deletion, or the BPD upgraded cooler.

I really like my SCT tuner, had it for about two weeks now. There are tunes that are safer (not bullet-proof, but relatively safe) for stock bolt trucks. Make sure who ever does your tuning knows your mods and running stock bolts.

I ran IDP's Street tune up till now and saw a 10% increase in mileage my first tank. I don't recommend the economy tunes for mileage, go with a good street tune and keep your foot off it. As for towing, I found the tuned shifted and exhaust brake is much better and firmer than stock. Can't wait to pull something with it.

Let us know how you decide to proceed, and if you have any questions, just ask.
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Hello, I’m fairly new to this forum. I’ve done a lot of reading, but not a lot of posting. There is ton of great info here, so “thanks” to everyone who has contributed.

I picked up my first 6.0 about two months ago with the intention of pulling a 5th wheel camper with it. It’s a 2006 F350 CC dually. It looked and ran good. The OASIS report that I got from this site checked out. No major issues. My question is about upgrades though. I haven’t done anything to the truck yet other than add an Edge Insight so I can monitor what is going on. So far EOT and ECT have stayed around 7-9 degrees difference. There was one time when the difference got to 15 degrees while towing my 5th wheel, but it was just for a few seconds going up a hill. Not sure if that is anything to be concerned about though. I’m planning on installing a coolant filter, bypass oil filter, egt probe, fuel pressure gauge, and Magnaflow exhaust, along with doing the Zoodad mod. I just want to keep eye on everything and keep it clean and cool. Does anyone see anything out of line with that combo? I would also like to put a mild tune to it, but I’m unsure if it’s a good idea. I’ve seen some folks say that you want to stud the engine before tuning, but is that really necessary? I don’t abuse my trucks and I don’t want a hot rod. I’m looking for a good, reliable towing vehicle. I thought about getting an SCT with a towing tune. What do you guys think?


Since you have a 2006 I wouldn't worry about it to much. It sounds like you want what I wanted just alittle more umph for towing. I haven't towed my camper yet with my tune. I have mine on the tow tune and notice a gain in HP, but I doubt it would be that much of a difference to damage the headgaskets. I think headgaskets get done more often than needed. Its a good preventative if yours have failed, but I believe the temperature differential coupled with egr cooler failure allowing coolant in caused by the blocked oil cooler is more to blame than the stock headgaskets and studs. Many run high hp tunes with stock headgaskets without problems. If your not going to run high horsepower ones I wouldnt worry. An extra 60hp isn't going to do it in my opinion unless you just beat the crap out of it. As long as your monitoring stuff and keep an eye on it while your towing you should be fine. Just my opinion.


Oh yeah and the spike in delta not a huge deal under load. Just as long as it comes down. if its not moving neither is your coolant. The only thing that would concern me is if you still have Ford Gold in there. If not then I wouldnt worry.

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You guys are right. Iím looking for a little more power, hopefully some efficiency, and something reliable. I donít want to be constantly stuck on the side of the road. My 5íer weighs in the ballpark of 11,500lbs also. By the looks of the replies, I donít think Iím going too crazy with anything. I didnít think about injectors shearing the oil down, so maybe an oil bypass wouldnít be worth the money. I use synthetic oil if that makes any difference. I did plan on buying the add on from Edge to monitor fuel pressure and I already have the expandable EGT probe, just havenít installed it yet. I still have the Ford Gold coolant in the truck. Iíve read a lot about changing to ELC. I figured I might do that in July after my 5yr/100K warranty is up. Would it be critical to change to ELC immediately? Does it make that much of a difference? The upgraded EGR cooler or a delete would definitely be considered in conjunction with a tune that turns the EGR off like Evil Eye mentioned. All good suggestions, so thank you guys. I have about a month until we take a long trip from Central TX to East TN, so I want to make sure my rig is in top shape. This info will definitely help in upgrading in a logical sequence.
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If your running Ford Gold you should read both of these

Things to consider about owning a 6.0L

Replaced oil cooler still difference in temps

Also something to consider.. When I was looking for ELC for my truck at the international dealer. I asked about the Ford Gold coolant silicates he said "All I can tell you is that we run Fleetrite ELC in it and thats all we recommend I cant say anything else"

And the last time I was at the Ford dealer and was discussing this with them they said well the Ford Gold coolant is now only rated for 50k and you need an additive after that.. All the ford dealer kept saying was you need to change the coolant at 50k anything beyond and it needs a an additive. I asked about the silicates clogging the cooler. He avoided that as well kept saying all I can say is that we recommend Ford Gold for 50k. mmmm why the change to 50k from 100k.. So I would get it out immediately. My truck at 62k had a plugged oil cooler I have cut it open and plan on sending the goo to get tested.

I Believe both Ford and International know that this is the problem now. I believe because international didn't specifically tell them that the Ford Gold wouldnt work in fact I bet they said its ratings are ok was the reason for the lawsuit.. I bet in the test engines it was ELC not Ford Gold. That is all speculation, but its funny how both my local dealers avoided the question when I asked about the silicates.

Just FYI. I know others say nothing wrong with the Ford Gold, but I disagree 100%.

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Hello, I’m fairly new to this forum. I’ve done a lot of reading, but not a lot of posting. There is ton of great info here, so “thanks” to everyone who has contributed.

I picked up my first 6.0 about two months ago with the intention of pulling a 5th wheel camper with it. It’s a 2006 F350 CC dually. It looked and ran good. The OASIS report that I got from this site checked out. No major issues. My question is about upgrades though. I haven’t done anything to the truck yet other than add an Edge Insight so I can monitor what is going on. So far EOT and ECT have stayed around 7-9 degrees difference. There was one time when the difference got to 15 degrees while towing my 5th wheel, but it was just for a few seconds going up a hill. Not sure if that is anything to be concerned about though. I’m planning on installing a coolant filter, bypass oil filter, egt probe, fuel pressure gauge, and Magnaflow exhaust, along with doing the Zoodad mod. I just want to keep eye on everything and keep it clean and cool. Does anyone see anything out of line with that combo? I would also like to put a mild tune to it, but I’m unsure if it’s a good idea. I’ve seen some folks say that you want to stud the engine before tuning, but is that really necessary? I don’t abuse my trucks and I don’t want a hot rod. I’m looking for a good, reliable towing vehicle. I thought about getting an SCT with a towing tune. What do you guys think?
Your ideas and intentions are right on.

The mangaflow exhasut is an expensive exhasut. There are many chaper exhaust systems that will perform the same with out consern. You can get a 4" turbo back for $250-$300. I have links if you want them.

Tuning is a good idea but not a MAJOR deal.

Cleaning the cooling system by doing a flush procedure will be a very good idea.

Keep the oil changes under 6,000miles with stadard oil. under 7,500miles with syn.

Egr delete would be best.

I am currently doing an 8,000mile sample of mobil 1 5w-40 diesel engine oil with my bypass filter. I will be posting the results in a month or so.

I tow my 10,000lb 5th wheel with innovative "Street" tune with out any issues. I am very happy with that tune towing and as a DD.

How many miles are on your truck? You may want to clean the intake manifold from the EGR build up.

Trans fluid chagne????? If you need to do it, look at my sig.

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FordWake the first link didnít reference the Ford Gold issue and the second link didnít work at all. Iíve read a good bit about the issue. It just seems like there hasnít been a definitive answer as to which is better even though the guys running ELC seem to be much happier with their systems. Iíll look into this topic more and see what I can find. Ironically enough, I had a very similar conversation with my local Ford dealership. The tech kept talking about testing strips and making sure the silicate level was correct and using additives if needed. It sounds like a good course of action over the next couple of weeks would be to flush the coolant system and then do something about the EGR cooler. Seems like it would probably be worthwhile to rebuild the oil cooler while I have it apart??? Make sense to anyone? Cleaning the intake makes sense too. I just rolled over 61K the other day, so I would imagine it is probably due for it. Tranny fluid will be done shortly also. Good write-up on that SmokerSteve.

If you guys have some good links for exhausts, please post them. Iím all about saving a few dollars. Anyone know a good place to pick up an oil cooler rebuild kit cheap?
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FordWake the first link didn’t reference the Ford Gold issue and the second link didn’t work at all. I’ve read a good bit about the issue. It just seems like there hasn’t been a definitive answer as to which is better even though the guys running ELC seem to be much happier with their systems. I’ll look into this topic more and see what I can find. Ironically enough, I had a very similar conversation with my local Ford dealership. The tech kept talking about testing strips and making sure the silicate level was correct and using additives if needed. It sounds like a good course of action over the next couple of weeks would be to flush the coolant system and then do something about the EGR cooler. Seems like it would probably be worthwhile to rebuild the oil cooler while I have it apart??? Make sense to anyone? Cleaning the intake makes sense too. I just rolled over 61K the other day, so I would imagine it is probably due for it. Tranny fluid will be done shortly also. Good write-up on that SmokerSteve.

If you guys have some good links for exhausts, please post them. I’m all about saving a few dollars. Anyone know a good place to pick up an oil cooler rebuild kit cheap?

Sorry not sure what happened to the links here they are again

Things to consider about owning a 6.0L

Replaced oil cooler still difference in temps

Its your truck so if you choose to run Ford Gold I am not going to flog you for it or anything. I do however think it is part if not most of the problem. All the evidence suggests that too. The international parts guy said thats all they put in them is Fleetrite ELC and the Ford Service manager said that you have to add additive. So I switched not to have to mess with additive or flushing as often.


I also would upgrade turbo infeed, turbo drain, Fuel pressure spring, and check to make sure you don't have an STC fitting since yours is an 06. If it does then I would change that as well. update the HPOP screen if you do the oil cooler.. mmm thats about it.

If your temps aren't bad its up to you whether to not to rebuild your cooler.. I would and I also wouldn't do it if I was going to put Ford Gold Back either.. so up to you.

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Your ideas and intentions are right on.

The mangaflow exhasut is an expensive exhasut. There are many chaper exhaust systems that will perform the same with out consern. You can get a 4" turbo back for $250-$300. I have links if you want them.

Tuning is a good idea but not a MAJOR deal.

Cleaning the cooling system by doing a flush procedure will be a very good idea.

Keep the oil changes under 6,000miles with stadard oil. under 7,500miles with syn.

Egr delete would be best.

I am currently doing an 8,000mile sample of mobil 1 5w-40 diesel engine oil with my bypass filter. I will be posting the results in a month or so.

I tow my 10,000lb 5th wheel with innovative "Street" tune with out any issues. I am very happy with that tune towing and as a DD.

How many miles are on your truck? You may want to clean the intake manifold from the EGR build up.

Trans fluid chagne????? If you need to do it, look at my sig.
Have you datalogged EOT while towing your 5th wheel using the Street tune? I would imagine that your oil temps are quite hot, especially towing during summertime pulling a grade. Just because you can doesn't mean that you should AND just because you haven't seen an issue doesn't mean that you don't have issues.
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