Diesel prices in your area

[Glenn M]

Originally Posted by mschn99

thank your democratic party tree huggers for that one smoke....there is a moritorium saying there can be no new offshore drilling platforms, as well as making it impossible to build any new refineries on american soil. it has been almost 30 years since the last new refinery was built on american soil, and attemp after attempt by the republicans and some moderate democrats has failed to open it up for more refineries and offshore rigs in the gulf. they are now trying to get it so some small population per square mile states can possibly build refineries (kansas, ohio, montana, nebraska, wyoming, ETC) but it looks as this attemt will fail also. they figure there is an absurd amount of oil in the gulf alone that they now cannot tap into. the oil companies would love to have more refineries....the government wont let them do it......Marc

That is a bunch of crap. Read this.

http://wyden.senate.gov/leg_issues/r...oil_report.pdf

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Last edited by Glenn M : 04-20-2006 at 06:36 PM.

[mschn99]

that article says "west coast west coast west coast".......

as for texico's profits quadrupleing.....they bought out seven smaller oil companies in that time span......that right there is a gain in profitibility that has nothing to do with profit per gallon....not to mention texico has thier hands in tons of other things and less than ten percent of the major oil companies revanues come from gasoline.......

what do you think this will do to the price of fuel...remember costs get passed onto the consumer
http://www.texpirg.org/TX.asp?id2=18883

that article says texico in particular....wants less refineries.....but then why would they do this
http://corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11519

if it wasnt for environmental restrictions....a lot of them woudnt have closed......but at least the government is trying to help....although this wont get through the congress......
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&type=business
i quote this from the above article....if they closed them to drive up prices...why would they expand the currently working ones???

"Although no refineries have been built, refining capacity has staged a slow comeback in the past 10 years. Oil companies have expanded existing facilities, adding capacity in a process known as creep. In 1994, for example, the nation's capacity was 15 million barrels per day, 12.7 percent lower than it is now."

http://www.cfact.org/site/view_artic...&idarticle=847

refineries are only a piece of the puzzle....the bigger thing is the fact that OPEC controlls the price per barrel of oil because we are WAY too dependant on foreign oil.......

http://www.surfrider.org/surfriderbl...04/06/111.aspx
http://ww.csmonitor.com/2006/0413/p02s01-uspo.html

i quote from above......"However, the majority of the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) remains off- limits," he says, noting that some 90 percent of US waters have drilling bans - an area whose potential resources could replace Persian Gulf oil imports for several decades.
Officials in coastal states have mixed views on the subject, including whether to lift the present moratorium on offshore drilling along much of the US coast, which has been in place since 1981. With an eye toward potential royalties as well as environmental impact, many coastal state lawmakers and governors want to increase their control of such development." end quote

the environmental groups have billions of dollars to spend to do nothing but convince you that the oil companies are responcible. they are non profit...have no major operating costs (no machinery to run, etc...just flyers to print, etc) and thier sole existance is to make companies lifes harder in the end..........oil companies are alive to produce things and make money......environmental groups are alive to put restrictions on those companies and convince you............Marc

[Glenn M]

You didn't read the whole artical.

[mschn99]

i did read the whole article.....and it does mention gulf and east coast stuff...but its main premice is a lot of west coast closures. California restrictions closed those refineries and doesnt allow offshore drilling in 96% of its coastline that has oil....it allows driling in 68% of its coastline that has NO oil......i appologize in advance if i get very heated on this particluar topic. this is something i have researched extensivley and i am very well educated on both sides of the issue and while perfect knoledge will never be had due to lack of public knoledge on certain points.....the only evidence ther is that it is the american fuel companies controlling the price of fuel can be trace back to only one source if you do some digging.....the environmental groups. the fuel giants that supposidly make all thier moeny from fuel own almost 100,000 companies that produce productrs that have have nothing to do with oil or its use.........phillips/conoco for example is huge into recycled plastic....texaco makes running tracks out of recycled tires....conoco also (this is patrolium based) makes 14% of the countries asfault tar and actually owns the companies that make 8% of the countries asfault......there are so many things people dont think about.....

as far as your article...i completely disagree with about 95% of what it says and if you want to discuss it further...i would be more than happy to do so...but lets take it to private messages if we do so this doesnt become a huge two person discussion in this particular thread......Marc

[Glenn M]

Here is another from the west coast. Regulations???

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/refinery.html

and

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Group_..._up__0907.html

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Last edited by Glenn M : 04-20-2006 at 07:40 PM.

[mschn99]

Originally Posted by Glenn M

Here is another from the west coast. Regulations???

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/refinery.html

http://www.flyingj.com/company/press/refinery.html
http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/04100...mnt0410087.pdf

if you research it more...that refineries production is down almost 45% since its sale to maintain the california clean air act restrictions for pollution.....the plant can produce more oil....but it cannot stay within the pollution restrictions by doing so........Marc

[Glenn M]

I saved the best for last.

http://www.scansystems.com/news.php?id=1&newsid=236

It's not the tree huggers, OPEC or any other source, for the resson why we are paying such a price for fuel. Just the money hungry oil barons.

Glenn

[mschn99]

funny....i searched the names of the people who wrote or contributed to that article....i came up with lots of gas price articles dating back to the early 90's when gas averaged under a buck a gallon....still calling it a rip off.........and a pretty proven link to environmental groups....PETA, Sierra club, etc.......i dont trust any article written by left win waccos.....they can say what they want about profits and production...but they leave out the fact that for every refinery closed....the open refineries have been expanded.........the california closures are mostly due to california environmental restrictions and cost of runnign them to meet those restrictions......and the fact that if the oil was drilled here it would cost less. margin and profit are different. while margin between the barrel of oil and cost of a barrel may be up.....production and transportation costs have also increaced....not to mention the US uses more oil today than any date in history....that in and of itself will lead to increaced profit......these people can twist numbers and leave out the improtant ones all they want.....bottom line is people who think that the bottom like is the company are the bulk of the problem. if you got up and spoke up about offshore drilling....and drilling in alaska....maybe the price of crude would go down.

even if all you say is true....lets say it is all an conspiracy......if you open up drilling, the smaller companies will do it even if hte larger ones dont. if they can drill and refine.....guess what...the larger companies will have to do the same to keep up or they will lose thier customers in a price war......funny how, and this is just for numbers sake......

if a barrel of crude costs 50 bucks.....and the finished product is 1.50 a gallon at the pump.....

now a barrel cost 100 bucks....finished product costs 4.00 a gallon at the pump....see, transportation costs increace with fuel prices.....plus the fact that you forget that energy prices have got up dramatically, increacing the cost to procue it....that is not caluclated in margin......

bottom line is all the numbers in the articles you have posted are skewed to fit the conspiracy theory.......and like i tried to say before......this is it between you and i in the public area.....i am more than willing to continue this in privat messages though.......Marc

[F-350MAN]

3.25+ for diesel here in so.cal, 2.99 reg unleaded

[mschn99]

Originally Posted by F-350MAN

3.25+ for diesel here in so.cal, 2.99 reg unleaded

wow...im glad i live half of the state above you .......2.83 a gallon for unleaded here.....diesel has dropped to 3.05 a gallon.........Marc