04 f250 6.0 starting issues - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 Old 01-25-2014, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
04 f250 6.0 starting issues

I have a 2004 ford F250 6.0 Iv had starting issues from the first day I got it. I installed new battery's on jan 15th and all the problems went away. This morning jan 25th all the problems came back.

what it does is sound real strange and shake around a lot and then it sounds fine and runs smooth. I think its the glow plugs but I don't know. the fuel filters are new and that made no difference.

here is a video of the start up when I first got the truck, it does the same thing now.

kinda hard to hear it on the video
yellowlt1ta is offline  
post #2 of 12 Old 01-25-2014, 05:34 PM
Premium Member
 
midnite rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Washington, PA
Posts: 2,314
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Thanks: 114
Thanked 88 Times in 87 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
whats the temps outside on startup

-Tom

05 250 KING RANCH CCSB,278k,ARP's,SCT TSX,Atlas 40,STC done,Glowshift FP Gauge,Banks IC System,Blue Spring,Banjo's,CCV mod,Oil Bypass,Diamond Eye 5" Exhaust,Bilstein 5100's,RC Dual Steering Stabilizer,Retro 55W 6k Heads 3k Fogs,Continental Airbags,RSD 48 gal Aux Fuel Tank.





2003 F350 Lariat CCSB, 288K, Everything But Studs.
midnite rider is offline  
post #3 of 12 Old 01-26-2014, 07:55 AM
Powerstroke.org Fanatic
 
FIXEMUP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Weyers Cave, Va
Posts: 102
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
From various threads and things I've learned here and videos of symptoms and fixes, I'd say a bad case of stiction in your injectors.
They can be repaired or if high mileage it may be better to replace injectors if not done in recent history.

Lyle - Gettin a good handle on this diesel stuff now !!
2006 F350 CC LB DRW KING RANCH
Banks 4 inch - Turbo Back
Sinister Coolant Filter
EGR Delete with new up pipe
Ford Oil Cooler replacement
Blue Spring Update
Scan Gauge II
Snap On and OTC scanners for the heavy diagnostics
FIXEMUP is online now  
post #4 of 12 Old 01-26-2014, 09:56 AM
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
If your batteries went dead on you I would say probably your FICM. Did you test the output voltage on it?
thorguy57 is offline  
post #5 of 12 Old 01-27-2014, 11:00 AM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
about 55-65 degrees outside. FICM voltages check out good, I have never changes injectors but have always kept up with fuel filter changes sooner than recommended. Is there any kind of test I can run that would tell me for sure that the injectors are the problem?
yellowlt1ta is offline  
post #6 of 12 Old 01-27-2014, 01:01 PM
Serving Our Country!

 
Bluedemon6.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florence sc
Posts: 1,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Send a message via Skype™ to Bluedemon6.0
The start does not sound that strong, almost like weak batteries. Do you have monitor? What is your ficm voltage with key in on position versus the start? What is your battery voltage at start?


Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App

-Steven

New!! 2015 Mustang ecoboost!!

Sold!!

formally owned:04 6L PSD CCSB
Studs
Egr delete
S&b intake
New dashboss with fuel pressure and egt
Sct Looney by Vivian and Tonywildman xtreme early lock up now php 140x
63.5/88mm 06 turbo with a pmax billet WW2
PHP Atlas 80


My baby-
87 jeep wrangler
350 and 700r4 built by mad dawg transmission
Dyno @ 200hp and 400ftlb at 3100 rpm
On 33s
Bluedemon6.0 is offline  
post #7 of 12 Old 01-31-2014, 02:26 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
both battery's are new from napa. Ill hook up a monitor to the obd port and get back with data. the last time I checked the ficm the voltage was good.
yellowlt1ta is offline  
post #8 of 12 Old 01-31-2014, 03:21 PM
Serving Our Country!

 
Bluedemon6.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florence sc
Posts: 1,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Send a message via Skype™ to Bluedemon6.0
You can try tracing your glow plug harnesses to the top of the block disconnect the harnesses from the main harness on each side of block.Then check each pin (4ea) in the connector going down to the glow plugs for resistance or ohms to the engine block (ground), you are looking for about 2 ohms. I'm not sure if you are familiar with resistance but you are checking the heating element for each glow plug (coil) if you read o.l. (Overload) from the ground to the one of pins you either have bad harness, harnesses and or glow plugs. 1 to 2 ohms is good. You need to pull the glow plugs on that side and check them individually if you find some bad readings. Replace glow plugs as needed and if you pull the harness or harnesses from the glow plugs plan on replacing the harness. Keep us posted.


Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App

-Steven

New!! 2015 Mustang ecoboost!!

Sold!!

formally owned:04 6L PSD CCSB
Studs
Egr delete
S&b intake
New dashboss with fuel pressure and egt
Sct Looney by Vivian and Tonywildman xtreme early lock up now php 140x
63.5/88mm 06 turbo with a pmax billet WW2
PHP Atlas 80


My baby-
87 jeep wrangler
350 and 700r4 built by mad dawg transmission
Dyno @ 200hp and 400ftlb at 3100 rpm
On 33s
Bluedemon6.0 is offline  
post #9 of 12 Old 02-01-2014, 01:23 PM Thread Starter
Powerstroke.org Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluedemon6.0 View Post
You can try tracing your glow plug harnesses to the top of the block disconnect the harnesses from the main harness on each side of block.Then check each pin (4ea) in the connector going down to the glow plugs for resistance or ohms to the engine block (ground), you are looking for about 2 ohms. I'm not sure if you are familiar with resistance but you are checking the heating element for each glow plug (coil) if you read o.l. (Overload) from the ground to the one of pins you either have bad harness, harnesses and or glow plugs. 1 to 2 ohms is good. You need to pull the glow plugs on that side and check them individually if you find some bad readings. Replace glow plugs as needed and if you pull the harness or harnesses from the glow plugs plan on replacing the harness. Keep us posted.


Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App
thanks for the info, I just checked it out and got about 1.6 ohms on every pin. also plugged in the obd2 port to stream some data and everything looked fine except for the MAP reading it was showing 104kpa while engine was idling. maybe diesels are different but shouldn't it be pulling vacuum? I know more about gasoline engines so could this be normal?
yellowlt1ta is offline  
post #10 of 12 Old 02-01-2014, 03:53 PM
Serving Our Country!

 
Bluedemon6.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florence sc
Posts: 1,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Send a message via Skype™ to Bluedemon6.0
I'm not sure about pulling a vacuum but I do know the map sensor is where the Ecu reads the boost and I think atmosphere pressure in the intake as well. If all your readings checkout such as battery voltage 13+, at least ficm 45v while the key is in the on position to start position. Then it is either stiction or maybe wire problem with the glow plugs or a glow plug control module. If you pm me your email I can email you the schematic then you can check each glow plug from the control module to see if maybe your gpcm is bad. What is your icp and ipr % while starting? Idk?


Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App

-Steven

New!! 2015 Mustang ecoboost!!

Sold!!

formally owned:04 6L PSD CCSB
Studs
Egr delete
S&b intake
New dashboss with fuel pressure and egt
Sct Looney by Vivian and Tonywildman xtreme early lock up now php 140x
63.5/88mm 06 turbo with a pmax billet WW2
PHP Atlas 80


My baby-
87 jeep wrangler
350 and 700r4 built by mad dawg transmission
Dyno @ 200hp and 400ftlb at 3100 rpm
On 33s
Bluedemon6.0 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome