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coolant puking, please help!

I'm pretty new to the forum, I have lurked for a while but didn't own an excursion until recently, sadly I wish I didn't dive in like I did.

I love the truck, when I bought it it ran good, its an 05 excursion with the 6.0... I thought these were the better years built with less issues.... NOT

My truck had a CEL, so I had it check it was actually 3 issues, cam position, crank position and ICP pressure low... but the truck ran good. I notice it start puking coolant from the degas bottle. Reading a bit further this seems to be either a EGR/oil cooler failure or head gaskets....

Then out of no where the truck wouldn't run, it kept stalling, I mean like every couple hundred feet stalling, my mechanic thinks one of the check engine light sensors probably died, causing the issue with it running, I priced all three sensors and they are reasonable to replace.

What I need to know now, is there a concrete way to tell if the truck needs head gaskets or the egr cooler/oil cooler replaced? What tests can I run? Or have ford run? I can swing getting the coolers replaced but the 4k needed to do headgaskets was kinda out of my budget right now. The truck loses some coolant but not much, but it is puking, so I think that's where I'm losing it.

Also should I go with a EGR cooler from bullitproof diesel or remove it entirely?

Any guidence is appriciated at this point, ford said that they can't trouble shoot the coolant issue until its running, so I'm working on that now, but obviously I can't leave the engine the way it is...

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I'm pretty new to the forum, I have lurked for a while but didn't own an excursion until recently, sadly I wish I didn't dive in like I did.

I love the truck, when I bought it it ran good, its an 05 excursion with the 6.0... I thought these were the better years built with less issues.... NOT

My truck had a CEL, so I had it check it was actually 3 issues, cam position, crank position and ICP pressure low... but the truck ran good. I notice it start puking coolant from the degas bottle. Reading a bit further this seems to be either a EGR/oil cooler failure or head gaskets....

Then out of no where the truck wouldn't run, it kept stalling, I mean like every couple hundred feet stalling, my mechanic thinks one of the check engine light sensors probably died, causing the issue with it running, I priced all three sensors and they are reasonable to replace.

What I need to know now, is there a concrete way to tell if the truck needs head gaskets or the egr cooler/oil cooler replaced? What tests can I run? Or have ford run? I can swing getting the coolers replaced but the 4k needed to do headgaskets was kinda out of my budget right now. The truck loses some coolant but not much, but it is puking, so I think that's where I'm losing it.

Also should I go with a EGR cooler from bullitproof diesel or remove it entirely?

Any guidence is appriciated at this point, ford said that they can't trouble shoot the coolant issue until its running, so I'm working on that now, but obviously I can't leave the engine the way it is...

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Depends where you live ,most of us just do the egr delete sinsiter delete is a good one think you can offer 260.00 on e-bay now and they will let it go for that also do a oil cooler rebuild when you do the delete < thats what makes the egr go bad stoped up > I have 2 of the rebuild kits 175.00 plus shipping .If you have to pass a smog or emmisions test where you live I would do the bulletproof egr replacement, and the oil cooler rebuild.Of course you might have other issues if it's the head gaskets. I wouldn't drive it any more than I possibly had to so you don't get any more damage.
Someone that knows more will pop up with some answers, post what codes it was pullin.

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I will let the more experienced people give you more technical advice on testing the issues you are talking about. What I will tell you is as far as deleting the cooler, make sure what kind of emission testing, if any, you have in your area. I have been wanting to do the delete myself but after talking to an emission tester in my area, I was informed that they look for the cooler and if it is gone = FAIL. I am going to do the block off until I get more$$$ for the bullet proof cooler.


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pull your egr valve, look down the hole. If it is wet, your cooler is shot

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pull your egr valve, look down the hole. If it is wet, your cooler is shot
If its dry, its the head gaskets.

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The truck has 128,000 miles on it, I have the oasis report and the truck previous had the head gaskets and heads replaced twice before! once at around 30,000 miles and again at around 60,000! The EGR was also replaced at other intervals

So it has been solid for 2-3 years and 60000 miles, I have only had the truck a few months, I live in florida and we have no emissions. Some said keep it the egr, but at this point I'm looking for rock solid reliability, and that system seems uncapable of that

I'm just very upset, I spent extra on the diesel for the reliability, and sadly that doesn't appear to be the case....

What is the likely hood the heads are warped? Light machining is fine, but if the heads are bad the price could skyrocket...

I'm hoping its just the egr and oil cooler.

What does an oil cooler rebuild kit include? Can't I just replace the oil cooler core?

The Codes were
P2285 injector control pressure sensor circuit low
P2614 camshaft position signal output ckt open
P2617 crankshaft position signal output ckt open

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm in a bad place right now financially, and this truck is making it worse..

Anyone know a good mechanic in fl, who works on the cheap?

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Depends where you live ,most of us just do the egr delete sinsiter delete is a good one think you can offer 260.00 on e-bay now and they will let it go for that also do a oil cooler rebuild when you do the delete < thats what makes the egr go bad stoped up > I have 2 of the rebuild kits 175.00 plus shipping .If you have to pass a smog or emmisions test where you live I would do the bulletproof egr replacement, and the oil cooler rebuild.Of course you might have other issues if it's the head gaskets. I wouldn't drive it any more than I possibly had to so you don't get any more damage.
Someone that knows more will pop up with some answers, post what codes it was pullin.

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Rebuilt kit is the cooler core and all new gaskets have 3 left 190.00 shipped to fla. Kit FORD PART # 3C3Z-6A642-CA
New just no box ALL gaskets are still in factory sealed package.
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