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F450 Gear Ratio?

I am looking at buying a 2008 Ford F450 Crew Cab Lariat FX4 DRW to pull a 40ft. 5er Toy Hauler. Under "Axle" on the vehicle sticker (inside the door) it says "8L", and under "R" there is a "C". I take it that to pull an 18K toy hauler, the 4.30 gears is what I need? The 4.10 may be a little light, and anything like the 4.88 will just unnecessarily eat gas for breakfast? How do I know if this truck has the gear ratio I need or not?
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The "8L" that you refer to denotes a 4.88 Limited Slip rear axle ratio. I am unsure what the "C" stands for. A truck that has an axle code of "4L" has a 4.30 rear gear ratio. Additionally, F-450's were initially produced with 4.30 rear axle gears standard and 4.88 gears were part of the High Capacity Trailer Towing Package, which also required a limited slip rear, which that truck has. A 4x4 450 with 4.30 rear gears is rated to pull a 20,500 lbs. 5th wheel/gooseneck trailer. A 4x4 450 with the 4.88 rear is rated to pull a 24,500 lbs. 5th wheel/gooseneck trailer. Yes, the 4.88 rear gears will decrease fuel economy, but you can solve that issue by looking into a Gear Vendors Overdrive unit. Yet another piece of info, any of the 450's that were equipped with the High Capacity Trailer Tow Package actually had de-rated engines (325 HP, 600 LB-FT TQ) versus the standard rating in 4.30 equipped 450's (350 HP, 650 LB-FT TQ). This was done in the interest of maintaining engine life with the engine turning higher RPM's. 4.10 gears have not been offered on the F-450.

It might interest you to know that current F-450 pickups can only be built with the 4.30 gears, BUT, you can now order the High Capacity Trailer Towing Package which increases the trucks towing capacity to 24,500 lbs. and it no longer changes the engine power ratings. This was done because the 4.88 450's were fairly fuel thirsty. I am somewhat disappointed by this because the 6.4 likes to rev and I think the steeper 4.88 gears help the engine hit it's sweet spot faster on heavy loads for better pulling performance.

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Can I add a chip/programmer?

Could I then add a chip/programmer (like a Quadzilla) to improve the fuel economy? If so, what does something like that run ($)? If I am looking at pulling a 5er that tops under 18k fully loaded, should I then opt for one with .430 gears? What are the other codes for 410, 430, 488, etc.?
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Yes you can add a programmer. But unless you delete the dpf you will not see any mileage gains. You need a Spartan or custom tuned SCT to do that. Quadzilla will not work

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I'd get the 4:30 gears.

If I could change my truck, I'd have the 4:30s in it, that would put me at about 2100 rpm at 65.

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I have the 430 gears in my 450 and it tows my raptor without any issue. If I only towed the trailer with it and was always towing in the hills I might consider the 4.88 gears.
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F350 help

Hey guys,

You might be able to save me a good $12,000. so I have an F350 SRW with a 4.3 dif. It's a 2008 with a 6.4 and 20" tires. My new 5er weighs 15,700 without fluids and my truck weighs 9580 with the wife and kids, about 10,000 with fuel in the 100 gallon extra tank. Do you think I need to move up to an F450 with a 4.88 and DRW? Or move up because I'm just on the cusp? I only get about 8 miles per gallon and would love better fuel mileage but more importantly, safety for the family! No dpf or chip yet btw! Please give me guidance!
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F350 help

Hey guys,

You might be able to save me a good $12,000. so I have an F350 SRW with a 4.3 dif. It's a 2008 with a 6.4 and 20" tires. My new 5er weighs 15,700 without fluids and my truck weighs 9580 with the wife and kids, about 10,000 with fuel in the 100 gallon extra tank. Do you think I need to move up to an F450 with a 4.88 and DRW? Or move up because I'm just on the cusp? I only get about 8 miles per gallon towing and would love better fuel mileage but more importantly, safety for the family! No dpf or chip yet btw! Please give me guidance! Specs give 26,000 GCWR and 5th wheel towing is 16,900. I just really need to know if I need to upgrade my truck! If I do, will I get better fuel consumption?
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I have the 4.30's in my 450 and pull a 48' enclosed car hauler. I have maxed out at 26000 (and over) many times and the truck does just fine. I am not tuned or deleted and just as star said I run about 2100 at 65.

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Hey guys,

You might be able to save me a good $12,000. so I have an F350 SRW with a 4.3 dif. It's a 2008 with a 6.4 and 20" tires. My new 5er weighs 15,700 without fluids and my truck weighs 9580 with the wife and kids, about 10,000 with fuel in the 100 gallon extra tank. Do you think I need to move up to an F450 with a 4.88 and DRW? Or move up because I'm just on the cusp? I only get about 8 miles per gallon towing and would love better fuel mileage but more importantly, safety for the family! No dpf or chip yet btw! Please give me guidance! Specs give 26,000 GCWR and 5th wheel towing is 16,900. I just really need to know if I need to upgrade my truck! If I do, will I get better fuel consumption?
You absolutly DO NOT NEED a bigger truck to safely tow that much weight. Put some air bags on the back, some good E-load range(or higher) tires, and a good trailer brake controller (either the factory one or maxbrake) and your good to go for that much weight and beyond. No need for the F-450 and the commercial insurrance ploicy that goes with it.
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