Park model?

[AmtracMechanic]

oh and in your case sounds like you would in addition be improperly licenced because you are exceeding 20000 gross with out a Class A with Combos endorsement, so theres two tickets you are at the 500 - 600 rate right there and there could be more, you getting it??

[duck]

Originally Posted by AmtracMechanic

hum I got a "Exceeding Registered Weight" Fine in one of my dump drucks pulling a Back hoe on a trailer, at the hubbard scales on hwy 99, this was for registered weight and not the capable weight of the truck and trailer, it was like 300 bucks or some thing like that if memory serves, but it can be more or less it depends on the codes they pick to write you for the cop you deal with and his mood LOL.

Still cheaper than the plates, though. IIRC it was around 800 bucks or more a year for the "truck" plates.

[AmtracMechanic]

yeah its a gamble, you have to decide for your self whats "affordable" my self, I have a class A CDL with Haz mat, Tankers, Doubles, Tripples, Air brakes Endorsements. and I Move Heavy Equipment For my company, I am the mechanic and have a large service truck as well, they pay for my licence fees, so there for no decision to make for me on the licence, on the registration side how ever, there is one more thing to take into account besides the fines, and the cost of the registrations and licence, and thats the liability if you are involved in a accident on I-5 say and in the investigation they figure out that you are improperly registered, and licenced for the COmbo you are driving I sure hope they werent have having a hard time figuring out whos fault the accident was because chances are you just won the trophy, your at fault because you are driving a rig you are not properly trained to be operating on public highways. CHA CHING. Good luck Brother. make sure you save that 800 bucks every year for a rainy day ;o)

[tabraha]

Originally Posted by AmtracMechanic

oh and in your case sounds like you would in addition be improperly licenced because you are exceeding 20000 gross with out a Class A with Combos endorsement, so theres two tickets you are at the 500 - 600 rate right there and there could be more, you getting it??

I doubt it as it depends on WI laws which look like the limit is 26k. I thought that your 20k limit sounded low so I went to the Oregon DMV website and you can haul 26k combined just like we can here in South Carolina with a plain-jane license. I believe most states but not all, specifically California are like this. We have a 26k limit on the basic license which takes care of about all a 1-ton truck would ever want to tackle. Besides that he's probably got it sorted out by now, this thread is from July after all.

[AmtracMechanic]

Thanks for the input, tabraha. Good catch on the Combined gross catch...I think duck was the one that said origianally that the dmv told him 20000, and well the scales here specifically say all Trucks over 20,000. How ever on the web site as you point out it is 26,000. but read the fine print please, If the typical curb weight of a ford super duty truck is about 6000-7500 puonds or so depending on configuration, SB, LB, EXT, CC, ETC.... and you can only legally pull a trailer with a maximum of 10,000 pounds with a class C non Comercial Licence then your Total Gross Combined weight would only be about 16,000 to 17500, and the likely hood that you are going to ever gross any where near 26,000 pounds with your 1 ton, here in oregon with a 10,000 pound trailer maximum is very unlikely you would have to put nearly, 10,000 in your bed to do it legally LOL I cut and pasted the licence requirements for the good state of oregon below see for your self...oh I made some parts Bold or Red for your convienence.


Driver License Classes

DMV issues the following driver license classifications:

Classification Vehicles That May Be Operated
Class A Commercial
May drive any vehicle or combination of vehicles with the proper endorsements.

Class B Commercial
May drive any single vehicle with the proper endorsements. May tow a trailer up to 10,000 pounds GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating). If the trailer has a loaded weight of more than 10,000 pounds, the gross weight of the combination (Towing vehicle and trailer) must be less than 26,000 pounds.
Class C Commercial
May drive any single vehicle, which does not weigh more than 26,000 pounds with the proper endorsements.

Class C
May drive any single vehicle weighing less than 26,000 pounds and which is designed to carry less than 16 passengers (including driver). May tow another vehicle with a loaded weight of less than 10,000 pounds. Total combined weight cannot exceed 26,000 pounds. May operate a moped. Firefighters operating emergency fire vehicles are also included in this class.

Class C Restricted
Licensed to operate a moped, or person has a student permit, emergency permit, or disabled golf cart permit. This license type is displayed on the record as a Class C with a restriction code (2, 3, 4, 5, and sometimes J, as applicable).

[tabraha]

I read the fine print but I interpreted (mis evidently as per your description) that a bit differently I suppose. I believe you are stating the 10k trailer restriction as strictly dry/standalone or maybe even GVWR weight but I read that as loaded for road use. Take my 13,000lb 5'er for example. Put my rig on the scales and it'll read 4540 on the steer 6360 on the drive and 9660 on the trailer. That's less than 10k loaded but 20560 gross combined. You're OTR Commercial up there so you should know! That's just terribly restrictive. Guess there's alot of fifth wheel rv'ers up there with their CDL's!

It's pretty incredible with the way that you're describing it there is pretty much no reason to even buy a 350 in OR without a CDL b/c you really wouldn't be licensed to haul any more than a 250 is capable of. Heck the new F150 can pull a 10k trailer, why buy a 250! (rhetorically speaking of course, I want my PSD and stability!)

[AmtracMechanic]

yeah it is pretty restrictive, but like I said originally, some states are starting to enforce it too, mainly I believe Arizona and california, combination of all the sno birds hauling monster three axle 5ers, and Familys with Three axle toy hualers, and river rats with three axle off shore boats heading that way, and too many wrecks in recent years, and all the extra wear and tear on the roads, so they are starting to enforce it alot more, however I dont know of any one here that has ever been ticketed for it, my tickets I mentioned before were in a comercial truck at a scale house, all I was saying is yeah if your in a accident it could come up if the police catch it. just kind of a gamble there dont you think. And yeah there really is no other way to read it for a standard class C licence it clearly states, "Loaded" Trailer weight of 10,000 pounds, meaning my camper has a 12500 pound GVWR tag on the side, but empty and Dri tanks, and cleaned out I have a UVWR (Unloaded Vehicle Weight Ratio) less than 10,000 you can find this on a sticker ussually on the inside of a cabinet door in your kitchen for most campers, so by rights a class C could hual my trailer with nothing in it, but if he were speeding (over 55 for truck and vehicles with trailers) here in OR, and the state trooper saw the GVWR on the outside and your class C licence then he may or may not decide to right you a ticket unless you have a current certified scale ticket with you showing the actual weight of the trailer at the time, or show him the sticker in side and that it is emty.

[AmtracMechanic]

ALso talk about restrictive I was looking at some of your states screwy Licence restrictions, first off never saw some of those licence classes before any where and shees looks like your state is a little less restrictive with the trailers, but you gotta have a special licence to drive a motor home of any size?? whats up with that?

[tabraha]

Nah no special license required for Class A's down here as long as they aren't monsters. Parent's and many friends with 'em. Now if you are for hire then yup it's a different story. Private vehicles are free and clear though.

edit: I'll add that the 26k caveat still applies though. Over 26k on MH and it's time to study up for the Class E license. If you wanna tow and get over 26k time to study for the Class F. South Carolina recognizes that people have RV's with high weights for recreational usage but the state also recognizes a little proficiency should be required to do so at the higher weights. While maintaining a distinction for citizens that aren't engaged in commerce.

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Last edited by tabraha : 01-05-2009 at 08:03 PM.

[helander14312]

To answer your question, yes... Most park model rv's have only a few differences. Most will not have any holding tanks on them. You would have to hook direct up to a water and sewage connect, They will have larger appliances (ex. full size fridge) and normally a household type toilet instead of the foot quick flush type. They will usually have a large hot water heater in them also. My old one before my fifth wheel was a Kountry Komfort 33' and it was about 5400#. My f-350 pulled it like it was nothing. You should not have anything to worry about. Also.... they will run 110 direct... no inverter or battery, which also means they will use regular light bulbs instead of the tiny ones. Hope this helped