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Do Commercial Plates Equate to a Commercial Vehicle in California?

I received my registration renewal for my Ford F-250 pickup which is registered with commercial plates. Within it the following information was provided:

Per California’s driving under the influence (DUI) laws, it’s illegal to operate a motor vehicle with any of the following blood alcohol content (BAC) percentages:
•0.08% or higher―21 years old or older operating a regular passenger vehicle.
•0.04% or higher―operating a commercial vehicle.

I never drink and drive (well maybe 1 or 2 before a long holiday meal) but 0.04% equates to about 1 beer. I understand that some infractions also carry a heavier weight with commercial vehicles.

Can a LEO (or anyone else) out there tell me if driving a pickup with commercial plates, but one that only requires a Class C license, constitutes a commercial vehicle? I do not use the pickup commercially.

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I received my registration renewal for my Ford F-250 pickup which is registered with commercial plates.
Can a LEO (or anyone else) out there tell me if driving a pickup with commercial plates, but one that only requires a Class C license, constitutes a commercial vehicle? I do not use the pickup commercially.
Trucks are registered as commercial because they 'can be' and 'are' used to transport stuff for hire. Although your intentions may not be to use it commercially, the officials don't know that.

The only way around it is (I have done this with one of my trucks), to put a shell on the bed of the truck and register it as an 'auto'. Once it's registered as an 'auto', it may not be seen on the roadways without the shell. If you are caught, there is a fine.

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Within it the following information was provided:

Per California’s driving under the influence (DUI) laws, it’s illegal to operate a motor vehicle with any of the following blood alcohol content (BAC) percentages:
•0.08% or higher―21 years old or older operating a regular passenger vehicle.
•0.04% or higher―operating a commercial vehicle.

I never drink and drive (well maybe 1 or 2 before a long holiday meal) but 0.04% equates to about 1 beer. I understand that some infractions also carry a heavier weight with commercial vehicles.
This part is referring to your Class of license. Since you have a regular Class C license, 0.08% is your reference.
0.04% applys to Class A and Class B licenses.
I hold a Class A, and, have previously held a Class B license.

I may have missed some info, but, there's a little bit for you. Hope this helps.

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I am looking at registering my truck as non commercial in the peoples republik of kalifornia this is what I have found thus far

Pickup Exclusions
The following trucks are not pickups:
Trucks with an open box-type bed that weigh more than 8,000 pounds unladen or exceed the manufacturer’s GVWR of 11,500 pounds. (“Varied” body type)
Trucks equipped with a bed-mounted storage compartment unit commonly called a “utility body.” (“utility” body type)
Trucks with a body type other than an open box bed (stake, flatbed, dump, etc. [body type]).
A pickup with a camper:
temporarily attached is a commercial vehicle and the camper is a load.
permanently attached meets the definition of a housecar (CVC §362) and may be registered as a passenger vehicle.

I have a shell and will be getting or building a carpet kit with bed so I will be registering as a camper.

not sure if this helps you at all. just thought this might help you or someone else
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this worked on my last truck BUT the local dmv fired ALL the decent humans and hired on ONLY nazi's who hate freedom

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Here is some helpful info for you.....

As far as the camper goes, Per my local DMV, is has to be "permently" mounted. As most of the people who work there are not gear heads usually the "C" clamps the shell comes with count and you will not have to drill holes through your bed. Depending on who checks you out a tonnuoe (sp) cover can count as it closes off access to the bed. For those of us that have the bed covered and will need to take off from time to time, the is a way slightly around the the law, more of a visual thing....

Standard issue commercial (aka pick-up) plates were 1 number, 1 letter, 5 numbers; the new ones one 5 numbers, 1 letter, 1 number.
Standard issue private (aka car or SUV) plates were (and I think still are) 1 number, 3 letters, 3 numbers.

If you change your registration from commercial to private you will get issued new plates showing the private numbering sequence and if you take your bed bed cover off, you are a dead give-a-way to any passing cop.

The way around this is to get customized plates. You will still be registered as a private vehicle and IF you get pulled over will have to do some explaining to avoid a large ticket BUT you will not be a quick easy view for cops driving around or behind you at a stop sign.

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As most of the people who work there are not gear heads usually the "C" clamps the shell comes with count and you will not have to drill holes through your bed.
That's how mine is set-up. Been registered as private for several years and no hassles from cops.



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Standard issue commercial (aka pick-up) plates were 1 number, 1 letter, 5 numbers; the new ones one 5 numbers, 1 letter, 1 number.
Standard issue private (aka car or SUV) plates were (and I think still are) 1 number, 3 letters, 3 numbers.

If you change your registration from commercial to private you will get issued new plates showing the private numbering sequence and if you take your bed bed cover off, you are a dead give-a-way to any passing cop.
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That's how mine is set-up. Been registered as private for several years and no hassles from cops.



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one of the morons at our local dmv said they thought you had to have a water system in the camper to make it a camper now. they are usually wrong so? IF i have to I will put an rv sink in the carpet kit and a cooler gravity feed or something.

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I would talk to someone else about the water thing. You're not trying to make it an rv just a "private" vehicle which means you can't use the bed for what ever you want.

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I agree with P-rot. I'd find someone else in that DMV. There's gotta be someone there with the knowledge to help you (Supv. or Manager). If not I'd schedule an appointment at a different DMV.

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