Run your Powerstroke on coal...well sorta

[Badfish740]

Originally Posted by Marc

first of all the govoner joke was nothing more than that!! I am a montana native and i was just making fun of one of the elected officials there....not making a political statement.

Sorry-got a little too sensitive on that one. Other message boards whose name I won't mention aren't as receptive to members of a party of which the Governor is a member.

Originally Posted by Marc

Secondly....i agree with getting off of forieng oil and becoming self sufficient.....but coal is NOT the answer. Neither is drilling more domestic oil, although i feel we should drill much more domestic oil for the short term to expedite the process of getting ourselves off of foreign oil. The answer isnt in mining because first of all....

I don't totally agree-I don't think coal is the be all and end all, but if we have it, we may as well use it. Same goes for oil-its not like we don't produce it ourselves already. Of course all of this has to be gone about in an environmentally sensitive way. I don't want to go to the Grand Canyon and see an oil derrick down in the bottom, a platform off the coast of my favorite beach, or a strip mine in the middle of Yellowstone. In this country we seem to have to this "all or nothing approach." How about a little of everything? Some oil from here, some coal from there, soybeans, corn, switchgrass, and sugar cane from all over...

Originally Posted by Marc

why deal with a bunch of crooked, unionized mines. Before anyone goes off on that i want to you to do a little research on my hometown of Butte, MT. Dont even thing about going off on me for that comment because i know all about it.

You're right, I'm not from Butte, I know little about the United Mine Workers, but as the first in the family to go to college by the grace of God and the blood and sweat of a Teamster father, I'll keep my trap shut. :whistle:

Originally Posted by Marc

The answer is simple. Its in the farming industry. Farmers grow soybeans.....soybeans can be made into cooking oil, diesel fuel

[mschn99]

my disagreement with using coal even now is that why spend billions on refineries for it when soybeans can be grown now. those refineries wont be obsolete because soybeans wont run out unless people quit growing them.....

[Glenn M]

Here is one of the anwsers we are a people have been looking for.
Changing World Technologies, Inc. - Information Center

[NAFD86]

so i just got off of etrade and was checking my stocks and remembered that i owned stock in a company that does this. well low and behold i decided to check up on them and this is what ive found out all posted on the 12th.

Medicine Bow Fuel & Power LLC Announces Agreement to Sell Diesel From Its Planned Medicine Bow Coal-to-Liquids Facility
Jan 12, 2007 10:30:00 (ET)
HOUSTON and WASHINGTON, Jan 12, 2007 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Medicine Bow Fuel & Power LLC, a subsidiary of DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC, announced today that it has entered into a long-term contract to sell 100% of the ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel from its planned coal-to-liquids (CTL) facility in Medicine Bow, Wyoming, to Sinclair Oil Corporation, which will market the fuel in the Rocky Mountain region.
The planned Medicine Bow project, which includes a coal mine and adjacent CTL facility, will use an indirect liquefaction process to convert coal resources into refined products that meet critical energy needs while reducing the environmental concerns associated with coal combustion.
The CTL facility will utilize General Electric Company's coal gasification technology to produce synthetic gas. The synthetic gas will be cleaned through other technology so that substantially all of the sulfur and carbon dioxide (CO2) is removed. This process significantly reduces greenhouse gas emissions and other environmental impacts associated with the traditional use of coal as a boiler fuel. The syngas will then be liquefied using Fischer- Tropsch technology licensed from Rentech, Inc. (RTK, Trade ). A further refining process will produce the ultra-low-sulfur diesel product that is expected to exceed current environmental emission standards in the region.
"We believe this agreement for the long-term supply of a Fischer-Tropsch, ultra-low-sulfur diesel product is the first of its kind," said Jon Doyle, DKRW Advanced Fuels' chief operating officer. "This contract is another important milestone in Advanced Fuels' strategy to complete the financing and construction of our flagship project."
"We are pleased to enter into this agreement, which will provide additional high-quality ultra-low-sulfur diesel to our customers," said M. C. "Bud" Blackmore, Sinclair Oil Corporation Senior Vice President. "This agreement, along with our refinery expansion projects, strategically positions Sinclair as the leader in refined products along the Rocky Mountains."
Construction of the CTL facility is scheduled to start in late 2007, with an expected in-service date in the fourth quarter of 2010. In addition to liquid fuels, primarily diesel and naphtha, a number of byproducts of the liquefaction process, including carbon dioxide and chemicals, are expected to be sold for use in the region. Carbon dioxide from the coal can be dried, liquefied and shipped via pipeline, and plans are to sell it to the enhanced oil recovery market in Wyoming with an initial target in the Powder River Basin.
"We are pleased to reach another important milestone in the development of the Medicine Bow project," said Bob Kelly, DKRW Advanced Fuels' chairman. "We have already secured options on coal reserves and licenses to key technology. With more than a million barrels per day of refined diesel products imported into the U.S., record prices at the pumps, new air-quality regulations and diesel becoming the fastest-growing transport fuel in the world over the next 20 years, environmental and market forces favor new investment in U.S. diesel production," he continued. "We believe that we will be well positioned to meet the rising demand."
DKRW Advanced Fuels is a development-stage hydrocarbon conversion company. We are focused on the commercial development, construction, ownership and operation of facilities designed to convert lower-value hydrocarbons into products that traditionally have been produced from crude oil. By utilizing proven coal gasification and Fischer-Tropsch liquefaction technologies, we plan to convert more abundant resources, primarily solid hydrocarbons such as coal and pet coke, into competitively priced products, including ultra-clean diesel fuel. Our initial project is a planned coal-to-liquids facility at the mouth of the Saddleback Hills Mine in Carbon County, Wyoming, near the town of Medicine Bow. We also are pursuing projects in other parts of the U.S. and exploring international opportunities. DKRW Advanced Fuels is a subsidiary of DKRW Energy LLC. Other shareholders are Arch Coal (ACI, Trade ), the second- largest coal producer in the U.S., and Och-Ziff Capital Management, a New York-based private equity firm.
Sinclair Oil Corporation is a fully integrated energy business owning and operating exploration, production, refining, pipeline, trucking, and terminal and marketing assets. Nearly 3,000 service stations in more than 20 states brand under the Sinclair name.
Forward-Looking Statements
We make statements in this news release that are forward-looking statements. All statements, other than statements of historical facts, included in this news release that address activities, events or developments that we expect, believe or anticipate will or may occur in the future are forward looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of our future performance and are subject to risks, uncertainties and other important factors that could cause our actual performance or achievements to be materially different from those we project. Except as required by law, we do not intend to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

this will have to be 2 posts

[NAFD86]

Medicine Bow Fuel & Power LLC
Fact Sheet
Project: Medicine Bow Fuel & Power LLC (MBFP) is developing a
greenfield, mine-mouth coal-to-liquids (CTL) facility near
Medicine Bow, Wyoming.
Current and planned assets include:
* CTL Facility: To be developed, owned and operated by
MBFP
* Coal Reserves: Current option to purchase
approximately 180 million tons of bituminous coal
from Arch Coal
* Coal Mine: Initially continuous mining operations
* Technology Licenses: Site license with General
Electric (GE) to use their proprietary coal
gasification technology and Rentech, Inc. for
Fischer-Tropsch technology used to liquefy the gas.
* Contracts for products from the facility: (See Below)
* Surface land rights on property
* Permits to construct and operate the coal mine and
CTL facility
Ownership: MBFP is owned 100% by DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC. Arch Coal
owns 25% of DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC with the remainder
owned by DKRW Energy LLC.
Products: The CTL facility will produce the following (volumes are
approximate):
* 13,000 barrels per day of refined liquids primarily
ultra-low-sulfur diesel and naphtha, which will be
sold into the market. Sinclair Oil Corporation has a
long-term contract to purchase all of the diesel.
* Steam, tailgas and power produced from the CTL
process will provide the necessary energy for
internal CTL facility use with some surplus power
sold to the utility grid.
* Carbon dioxide will be extracted, dried, liquefied
and shipped via pipeline to the enhanced oil recovery
market in Wyoming with an initial target in the
Powder River Basin.
* Other byproducts for sale in the market are elemental
sulfur, chemicals, and ash, which will be put to
productive use in the region.
Schedule: Construction is currently scheduled to start in the fourth
quarter of 2007 with a 2010 in-service date. The following
are major steps to completion:
* CTL Permitting: Q3 2006 - Q4 2007
* Air (started modeling protocol)
* Water (started water well drilling on site)
* Siting (will commence in early 2007)
* Engineering & Design: Q4 2006 - Q4 2007
* CTL Construction: Q4 2007 - Q4 2010
* In-Service Date: End of 2010
* Operations: 30 + years
Construction: MBFP will contract with SNC-Lavalin, an experienced and
credit-worthy construction contractor, to construct,
commission and test the CTL facility.
Operations: Arch Coal will operate and maintain the coal mine. MBFP or
a subcontractor will operate and maintain the CTL
facility.
Benefits: To the community:
* Job Creation: Approximately 300 full-time operating
personnel; 1,500 construction workers (600 on
average)
* Property Taxes: Increased
* Coal Severance Taxes: Increased as more coal is
extracted
* Oil Royalties: Increased due to the sale of CO2 to
EOR sites
* Support Services: Increased due to increased jobs in
region
* Environmental: Lower emissions than conventional
coal power plants. Reduced emissions and greenhouse
gases with the use of ultra-low-sulfur diesel (< 1ppm
sulfur) as a transportation fuel
To the United States:
* Domestic production of petroleum
* Reduced energy imports
* Lessened dependence on Middle East
* Use of abundant US coal reserves; including stranded
reserves
* Environmentally responsible
* Increased US refined product production (ultra-low-
sulfur diesel)
* CO2 sequestered
Sandy Fruhman, +1-281-636-3540, for DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC; or Clint Ensign of
Sinclair Oil Corporation, +1-801-524-2767

sorry for such a long post but i thought you guys might enjoy the news

[CHenry]

Originally Posted by Badfish740

I don't know about you but I really really hope that one day the U.S. can look the Middle East in the eye and say "we don't need you anymore." I don't want my kids to be at the mercy of the Saudi royal family at the gas (*ahem* diesel) pump. Our diplomatic relations with basically every Middle Eastern country are completely FUBAR because no matter what they know they have us by the big hairy ones because they have the power to make people wait in 3 mile long lines for gas at a rediculous price. No self sufficient world power should have that hanging over their head. Would you really want to live in a world where the U.S. isn't number one anymore? I wouldn't. Sorry for the soapbox rant, but I just feel pretty passionately about this stuff and I'm just begging people to look at the issues, not the party lines. My last thought? Buy a farmer a new tractor or a miner a new Powerstroke instead of buying a Sheik a new Bentley.

Well said and this is EXACTLY why I am venturing into the world of vegi oil fuel in my truck (as well as to save ALOT of $$$). Did i void my warranty on my truck, yes, that did happen but i had little time left on it anyway.
My wife is still sending some money to the big oil people with her 05 mustang gasser but hopefully by this time next year, she will be driving a diesel of somesort and it too will smell like french frys when she drives. Vegi oil works great as a fuel and it burns very clean compared to diesel.

Originally Posted by Marc

The answer is simple. Its in the farming industry. Farmers grow soybeans.....soybeans can be made into cooking oil, diesel fuel, vegi stuff that i dont eat and all kinds of other things. The farmers get to grow the soybeans, the refining process is similar enough to regular diesel to at least be able to convert the old refineries to make the bio, and there you go......RENEWABLE, cleaner fuel. thats my

Amen brotha!