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Methanol vs Kerosene???

Anyone using Methanol to thin out there WVO? I am using Kerosene now but the price of Kerosene is going through the roof. I can buy methanol for $4.00 a gallon at the race track. The price of Kerosene by me is between $5.35 and $6.50 a gallon. The price has been rising weekly.

If you are using methanol, do you use the same % as if you were using kerosene?
Any suggestions for other solvents to use other then Kerosene?
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I hear you loud and clear about the price of kerosene. I'd use #2 instead of it but would NEVER use methanol in my truck...nor gasoline.

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you cant just cut WVO with Methanol. You are one ingredient short of Biodiesel.



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Thanks for the VERY Important information. I am searching for a replacement for the kerosene. Sorry for the grammer. I typed this as if I was drunk.

I guess I will stay with the kerosene for now.

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thin the wvo with heat and you won't have to buy anything!

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thin the wvo with heat and you won't have to buy anything!
That would require me to install a seperate tank, a heater and so on? That would most likley be better in the long run. I see that the kits are over $2,000. That is a little to much $$ for right now. Now I have something to think about.
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it definately would be better in the long run...even in the short run.
Blending fuel will cause early death to engine components and will cost well over 2 grand.
Ford parts and labor isn't getting any cheaper.

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Blending fuel will cause early death to engine components
That is a broad bold statement. Sounds like an opinion to me. B5 and B20 is are approved blends. Blending #2 or K1 with B100 to winterize it is common practice as is blending K1 with #2 for the same reason. Maybe blending with used ATF or WMO and running these cold but not with heated VO, K1, #2 or bioD as these four are fuels. All that will change is the lubricity and AIT so how can that cause early death? Running pure VO even friggin' hot, the viscosity will never equal the viscosity of #2 and the AIT of pure VO is way above the AIT of #2. My point is blending hot VO with K1 makes the fuel more like #2's characteristics than making it a cause of early death. That in my mind is a better blend not worse.

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actually at about 300 something degrees F, VO has the identical viscosity of #2(at a normal ambient temp).

I'd have to find the paper on that but it was a good read.

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My point exactly. Nobody heats VO to 300*F right before the heads.

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