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Old 04-14-2013, 07:25 PM
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Anyone heard or used this black diesel filtering kit?

Diesel substitute, not biodiesel, black diesel fuel from motor oil dewatering filters

I am interested in it. I have read some of the opinions that say you should use a centrfuge and some that say not to use WMO at all. Lets here the opinions on this kit. Thanks
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First off, it seems that you have done your homework. Cudos for that.

I dont believe WMO could be safely burned in an HEUI engine no matter how it was cleaned. However, if you are not convinced and choose to do so anyway, a quality gravity fed CF is the only way to get fuel quality consistent with safe operation. All of the filtering in the world will not get it to where fuel needs to be.

A couple water filters surely isnt going to get it done. A CF is the ONLY way I know of. Having cleaned a signifiacant amount of WMO in a CF, it is shocking what is in it in repect to solids. Here is an example>

Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!

Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!


here are some tests results I did a few years ago:

WMO Centrifuge Results

Good luck making your decision.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:14 PM
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First off, it seems that you have done your homework. Cudos for that.

I dont believe WMO could be safely burned in an HEUI engine no matter how it was cleaned. However, if you are not convinced and choose to do so anyway, a quality gravity fed CF is the only way to get fuel quality consistent with safe operation. All of the filtering in the world will not get it to where fuel needs to be.

A couple water filters surely isnt going to get it done. A CF is the ONLY way I know of. Having cleaned a signifiacant amount of WMO in a CF, it is shocking what is in it in repect to solids. Here is an example>

Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!

Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!


here are some tests results I did a few years ago:

WMO Centrifuge Results

Good luck making your decision.
Good info. Thanks for the response.

So whats the worst that will happen if you run black diesel? Clogged injectors? Messed up heads?
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:05 AM
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Good info. Thanks for the response.

So whats the worst that will happen if you run black diesel? Clogged injectors? Messed up heads?
Coking is the biggest concern, due to incomplete combustion.
Primarily vavles seats and valve guides. Water and coolant in wmo will absolutely destroy injectors as well. The thing about coolant suspended in wmo is just that, its suspended. It takes much much more than gravity to remove it.

So, to answer you question.....
$1800 for injectors and labor, and $2500 for head removal and replacement with a valve job with new guides and pushrods.

That is if you dont coke up your oil and compression rings. That makes a PSD engine a nifty boat anchor.

Sorry to sound like im Hating, but, this risk is real. Likely someone will come along as clain to have run a million miles on 90 weight oil mixed with piss and vinegar and get 40 MPG doing it....and to that I say....PROVE IT.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:25 AM
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run a million miles on 90 weight oil mixed with piss and vinegar and get 40 MPG doing it....and to that I say....PROVE IT.
This is possible?
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:56 PM
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Here are some more really good, bad examples of how filters dont do sh!t.

Black diesel is a bad idea, even worse when just "filtered" oil is used. check this out


NOTE at 3:30 min.... the "desire" to do "head work".....

I wonder if hes still burning black diesel? Doubt it.

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[QUOTE=vegginpsd;4979634]Here are some more really good, bad examples of how filters dont do sh!t.

Now there's a retarded statement. "Filters don't do sh.t"

So you don't use filters at all??? For anything??? You must use unicorn piss for fuel since it's perfect. Lol. I'm just messing around with ya.

Your example of a hillbilly using water filters from home depot is not a good idea. If your going to run wmo then you really need to use good filters. For everyone else out there to read, FullForce runs wmo in their PSD. Granted it is easier for them since it is much cheaper for them to rebuild but either way, they still run it.

When you order a set of injectors from them they ask on their questionnaire if you run wmo or veggie oil. They will not warranty veggie oil trucks but they will warranty wmo ran through them as long as your honest to them and you filter it properly. It is very obvious when Ryan takes apart an injector to see what caused it to fail.

Ask me how I know this info. Because I run their injectors and I asked how they filtered it. So I do the same.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:40 PM
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Your example of a hillbilly using water filters from home depot is not a good idea. If your going to run wmo then you really need to use good filters. For everyone else out there to read, FullForce runs wmo in their PSD. Granted it is easier for them since it is much cheaper for them to rebuild but either way, they still run it.

When you order a set of injectors from them they ask on their questionnaire if you run wmo or veggie oil. They will not warranty veggie oil trucks but they will warranty wmo ran through them as long as your honest to them and you filter it properly. It is very obvious when Ryan takes apart an injector to see what caused it to fail.

Ask me how I know this info. Because I run their injectors and I asked how they filtered it. So I do the same.
There is NO WAY TO ADEQUATELY FILTER WMO. Period. Filters do not collect metals, suspended or emulsified moisture or antifreeze. It defies physics.

Even the hillbilly on the You tube vid realized that. Also worth noting, the examples in the CF Vid used no heat in his process, which greatly improves the performance of a CF. That I have learned after CF'in a few rail cars of waste oil in the past 7 years.

Also worth noting, I also run Ryans injectors, and I realize I too do it at my own risk. It is the valvetrain that is likely to fail before the injectors on WMO, however, water in a formidable foe of injectors and all the settling and filtering you could possibly do will ever remove moisture.

Give your WMO blend a test via a Sandy Brae tester, then please report your findings.
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Then why does matt and Ryan run wmo?

Filters do filter. That's what they are supposed to do. Filter. I'd they didn't work then nobody would use them.

If not, then why do you put a filter on your truck. Especially the oil one? Because they work.

I'm not here for a pissing match, I will 100% agree with you about the water (coolant) issue. Absolutely true and more sensitive in a 6.0 injector. Nature of the beast I guess. You can easily get rid of the water in fuel by heating it. Simply evaporation.

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Also, why are there companies that recycle wmo and run it through a polisher and repackage it under another name?

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