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Hi guys and girls, new here. I was doing some research on black diesel and came across this website. I have been using black diesel for about six months now. I farm and have been using it in all my diesel engines. I started out by using a 80% waste oil to 20% diesel. I found that some diesel engines run differently on it. I have a 986 international tractor that I could probably run straight black diesel on. I have a 575d ford newholland backhoe that does not like it at all. I now run a 50-50 mix. I have processed almost 2500 gallons, and have run a lot of it through a 912 duetz diesel engine that I pump water for sprinklers. It is a 100 hp and has used most of the black diesel. I have a 2004 6.0 ford powerstroke which I ran 50% mix. I purchased this truck in Jan.2012. I did not know these trucks were so fickle. Since I have bought it, it has had to have at least five to ten minutes to warm up until it ran smooth. After that it was great. The first time I put black diesel in it, it runs so much more quite, and it does not need to warm up at all before I take off. I do use Seafoam in my mix to cut down on carbon buildup. I have also saved thousands of dollars. The only draw back is if I get to high of percent of oil, it tends to loose power, which could be do to other problems such as filters. Although I do not seem to change fuel filters any more frequent. I am still experimenting, and it is a very oily dirty job at times. But I am sold on this. It really helps making the engine run more quite. I can also tell a difference when I am filtering the oil in where it comes from. I have one supplier that is a auto repair shop. I get about 500 gallons a month and I have to change my filters less with his oil than some of the farms I get it from. Sometimes it has antifreeze in the oil, but I have welded nipples on 55 gallon barrels about two inches from the bottom. I then have welded a nipple with a valve on bottom of each barrel so that when I leave the oil set for 24 hrs, the water settles to the bottom with the sludge and I filter the rest. I am now working on a centrifuge that I got off an old eruopean tractor called a Zetor that use one for a filter instead of the spin on filters, to take out more of the contaminates before it goes through the filters. I right now I am using a three stage filtering system. I start at 10 microns, and then a 5 micron, and then go down to 1 microns. love the stuff so far.

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I think you are a brave man running that stuff in your 6.0 but I am interested in learning more about it cause to be honest, I've heard of guys doing it in older diesels like tractors (as you mentioned) but not something as precise as a modern 6.0.

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Thats pretty interesting. Welcome to the org! What are you mixing just old filtered waste oil and diesel fuel??

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I recomend that the OP puts all of the fuel savings in the bank. It will be be needed later.

Having performed CF testing on crankcase oils I can say with confidence that there is so much wrong in the OP, and that dooms day is rapidly approaching.

I will edit this post if I am able to find the old thread on the CF crankcase oil tests I did....

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24 hours of ambient temperature gravity settle is not adequate for removing antifreeze or water. Not even close. Nor is simple filtering of contaminated WMO.

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I recomend that the OP puts all of the fuel savings in the bank. It will be be needed later.

Having performed CF testing on crankcase oils I can say with confidence that there is so much wrong in the OP, and that dooms day is rapidly approaching.

I will edit this post if I am able to find the old thread on the CF crankcase oil tests I did....

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24 hours of ambient temperature gravity settle is not adequate for removing antifreeze or water. Not even close. Nor is simple filtering of contaminated WMO.
I have done enough research on this topic. Although I have read the negatives before I ever tried it and researched those as well. I use a lot of fuel in my operation. I am running probably about 50% black diesel that has been deluted by 50% when I am using it. I keep my filters cleaned, and I also use a water absorbant to also remove water and antifreeze. I have not had any problems with black diesel. As I said there are some injection systems that do not fair will. That is due to the pump. Many times the oil is sitting in 275 gallon totes for a few days before I can get to processing it. Time will tell if I made a mistake, and I will let you know the problems I do have. I have processed a neighbors oil which he had in 55 gallon drums sitting out side. There was probably a third in some barrels that was water from outside moisture seeping in. I do not pump that into the process. But some does get through. I usually let it sit for six hours, and drain off what water has been pumped in. Then I wait a couple of days and drain off what has settled. Not much does drain off after the initial drain. Plus I do not filter anything below two inches after that. You have to know that water gets into regular fuel through condesation, or contamination. This is why they have products to help mix with it to put it through the engine. I appriecate your concern and it is duely noted.
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Thats pretty interesting. Welcome to the org! What are you mixing just old filtered waste oil and diesel fuel??
Many countries do this around the world. It does give you better fuel milage, and more power. I have heard some use it staight, but I first used a 20% mix of regular diesel. I found that my 986 international tractor loves it. I have a 7040 Allis chalmers that said that was to thick. It smokes like a bugger anyway. Now it looks like an old steam engine. It does run great on it after I up the % of diesel in it. My combine loves the stuff. My 7120 caseinternational runs better on the 50%. My 575d ford newholland hates the smell of it. But I do not run black diesel 100% of the time. I use to much to keep up with what I can process. The engines run much more quite because the fuel is lubricating everything. Takes out the knocks. My son uses it in his 2001 ford powerstroke. He loves it as well.
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Do you have any pics of your processing system? I have access to basically an unlimited supply of used motor oil. I am way out of my element here with the science aspect of it all but does it matter that used synthetic oil gets dumped in the same barrel as dinosaur oil so I suppose you could call the oil a synthetic blend lol. Is that blend a problem for burning?


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Synthetic oils are designed to NOT burn. Thus, they will give you trouble when trying to use them as "Fuel".......

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