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Black diesel?

I'm new to the whole alt/bio fuels thing. I was going to make my own apple turnover biodiesel processor and start running that, but recently I have come across black diesel. Does anyone here use/ process this type of fuel? Any good/bad results? Only looking for input from people that have actually used it.
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Put on you seat belt, and google Diesel secret energy.

Not a good idea......IMHO. To each their own.

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I'm not sure what diesel secret energy and black diesel have in common. Diesel secret energy uses chemicals (found in paint thinner and mothballs) mixed with WVO to make bio-diesel. Black diesel uses petroleum based oils like waste engine oil, ATF, hydraulic fuild, or gear lube mixed with regular #2 diesel to create a mixture known as black diesel. What I want to know is if there is anyone that has made it and what is the process, pros, and cons.
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You wont find many that use "black" diesel. Its too hard on modern fuel injection systems. Not to mention very unhealthy for breathing out of the exhaust pipe

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I'm not sure what diesel secret energy and black diesel have in common. Diesel secret energy uses chemicals (found in paint thinner and mothballs) mixed with WVO to make bio-diesel. Black diesel uses petroleum based oils like waste engine oil, ATF, hydraulic fuild, or gear lube mixed with regular #2 diesel to create a mixture known as black diesel. What I want to know is if there is anyone that has made it and what is the process, pros, and cons.
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The result is the same. The theory is the same also..........

My grandpa always said "if it was that easy, everybody would be doing it"
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The result is the same.
No its not. One is bioD, one is a mix of waste oils and diesel.

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The theory is the same also..........
Not particularly.

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not another WMO thread lol

this topic has been discussed to death. It has been stated, that burning WMO, ATF, etc is not good for your engine (coking) injectors (particles, coolant in waste oil etc) and fuel pumps, etc. these injectors have a hard enough time with ULSD and get trashed on normal fuel alone, why would anybody dump anything other than D2 or properly trated WVO into their tanks? If youve got the money to repair and replace if necesary, then by all means guinea pig your truck.

If not, then stick with D2 or get a properly set up WVO system installed in your truck and set up a CF oil processing system. WMO is bad juju. Period. Everybody says "oh diesels will burn anything" and they will, but those pricey injectors sure dont like much else other than D2

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No its not. One is bioD, one is a mix of waste oils and diesel.



Not particularly.


Little do you know. DSE is far from Biodiesel.
For owning a truck since october, having all the trouble you have had, you so quickly have become an absolute authority on all subject alternative. Must be nice to be so brilliant.

Some of us have done the homework, made significant financial investment, logged hundreds of thousands of miles, had sleepless nights figuring things out, only to be undermined by someone who likely knows sh!t about what he is speaking.

Gotta love forums. Please TROLL elsewhere.

I am about done on this forum. Lately, diesel prices soar and the experts come out of the closet hiding behind a keyboard throwing rocks at those who have made this forum the unquestionable leader in powerstroke alternative energy. I dont feel I am alone speaking of this.

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Little do you know. DSE is far from Biodiesel.
For owning a truck since october, having all the trouble you have had, you so quickly have become an absolute authority on all subject alternative. Must be nice to be so brilliant.

Some of us have done the homework, made significant financial investment, logged hundreds of thousands of miles, had sleepless nights figuring things out, only to be undermined by someone who likely knows sh!t about what he is speaking.

Gotta love forums. Please TROLL elsewhere.

I am about done on this forum. Lately, diesel prices soar and the experts come out of the closet hiding behind a keyboard throwing rocks at those who have made this forum the unquestionable leader in powerstroke alternative energy. I dont feel I am alone speaking of this.
I dont care how much money and time you put into your WVO setup. I'm gonna run sh*t mixed with burnt tranny fluid, some WMO, and a pail of lard in my truck and it will work better than D2. Hell, ill run my truck on piss and vinegar and there aint nothin you can say that will change my mind.
Cuz I know it all

I researched this stuff to death the first time i paid 5 bucks a gallon for diesel. the only set up is to CF your oil, and run a purpose built WVO system in your truck. Period. Diesel came back down, so i decided it wasnt worth the expense to convert and buy the setup for the amount of miles I drive.

DSE, black diesel, hydrogen generators, its all crap. Snake Oil.

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I'm no troll, don't worry. I've done the VO thing on my previous vehicle. I'm all for it.

To say that DSE and a mix of wmo/diesel is the same thing is flat out wrong. As is the theory behind it. I'll correct my previous statement that DSE is bioD - I hadn't done any reading on it and took that from the OPs post. It is not BioD.


This is the last time I'll address "all the trouble I've had" with my truck to you. My UVCH issues have absolutely nothing to do with fuel. Based on what I've seen in my 12 years of forum going, digging up someones old post about a problem they have and trying to relate it to the topic in the current thread (when it doesn't have anything to do with it) in an attempt to disprove their knowledge is, in fact, the troll response. Along with nitpicking spelling, etc (merely an example, not something you've done).

Now that we've covered that, back to the topic at hand. I'm on this forum and several other forums to learn and help others learn - not to explain to you that UVCHs issues have nothing to do with my knowledge of alternative fuels.

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