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I am interested in running bio. I have spent a lot of hours and days reading and researching the 2 different ways to go about doing this. I understand 1 way is to process it at home with a centrifuge system or to use the dual tank mod wvo system. I dont have the money to do the mod so obviously I'm going to be processing it. I have not yet purchased a system due to just starting and getting a lot of hesitations ironed out. I know when I start i will need storage units to store both the wvo as well the filtered fuel in. I found the following container and was wandering if it would work. Besides already knowing there is an abundance useful knowledge to be had here any advice would be appreciated.

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are you wanting to run biodiesel or wvo? you said bio and then described wvo so i want to be sure which before we pump you full of the wrong information.

first and foremost though, be sure you can collect oil. many sources these days are taken...

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Hi. Welcome to the wild, wacky and fun world of using vegetable oil as fuel. Biodiesel is refined vegetable oil. You can run it with little mods to your vehicle, but you need to refine the oil. You could also run straight vegetable oil with some mods to your fuel system like extra filters, heat exchangers, tanks and fuel lines. You will still need to clean and de-water the oil before putting it into your vehicle.
There's a free quickstart guide at which was designed to provide interested folks with a solid overview of the process.

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If I'm correct, it sounds as though you are wanting to make your own biodiesel. My personal project to start making bio starts this Spring on some warmer days where I can start making small batches outside where the fumes won't be in the garage and circulating through vents, etc. If you'd like I can share with you how it works out for me and how I'm doing it, also the very cheap setup that I have started making. Small batches are the way to go to see if you are having success with making biodiesel first. My start hopefully will be making 4 gallons at a time and hopefully washing two batches of 8 gallons total all within about 3-4 days time (not solid days in actually standing there all day making it, but settling times overnight, and drying times, etc). Should be fun learning it and doing it......

Whatever you do...... don't get ahead of yourself and go buying one of those poly (plastic) processors! Ask around and talk to those who have bought them. Big waste of money and time the way it sounds. Hope this helps.
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I am looking at doing bio. I already have 2 sources lined up to get my oil from. My concern is whether or not this type of container will work to store the refined oil in. I apologize if there is any confusion. The plastic container wouldnt be used as the processor but to hold the refined oil. I havent decided on the type of processor yet. I'm just looknig into ways to store not only the refined oil but also the unrefined oil (if I start collecting that much). I hope this better helps yall in order for yall to help me b/c I know i will need it.
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that container will be just fine for both! a centrifuge for bio would be overkill, but would work just fine. filter to 100 microns or so then convert. then use a good quality spin-on filter and pump and youll be fine. if you have water issues there are ways to deal with it. but the CF would be the least cumbersome and require the least attention.

you may already know, but do some test batches first. dr pepper style. if gives you a fair idea of whats going on and what your getting into. (Hint: with mine i drilled a hole in the cap for easy draining...)

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If your in a colder climate you'll need to warm your bio before burning it, you'll also need to purge your system when the temps get below 40. Are you planning on doing a two tank system? I spent a lot of time researching bio and wvo, before converting my vehicle. In the end I went with wvo. Honestly, bio makes no sense. Convert the truck, not the fuel. I'll bet, in the end, the cost will be about the same and you'll have a lot less work making fuel.
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You do not need to "warm your bio" if you are in a colder climate. Not if you blend it appropriately. I don't know of many people who use bio in colder areas that run it 100% unless they have a 2 tank system but that's the reason most people who choose biodiesel do so.......to avoid further vehicle modifications. 100% in the warmer months then blend it in the cooler months.

Yes of course there are advantages and disadvantages to both wvo and biodiesel but the truth is biodiesel is the best bang for the buck right out of the gate. It can be used in basically any vehicle so as soon as you make a batch (and clean it) you can pour it right in with NO modifications to the engine. That's right, NO modifications. If it's cold where you live then blend it with diesel. Our winters are relatively cold where I live and wind chills some nights are down in the single digits when I occasionally use a B-50 blend that costs the same as diesel. I know that single digits aren't that cold but a 50% blend is great in anything near freezing and under!

Collecting, filtering, and then centrifuging the oil for just wvo isn't exactly labor free so there's work in doing both.

Lastly, if you have more than one diesel vehicle in the household then both can't run on wvo when only one has been converted. Or if you sell your truck either get rid of the conversion along with the truck or have fun having it uninstalled, etc. You get the idea. Biodiesel is a great way for an alternative fuel and to save money right away. Again.......pros and cons in both but if Your thinking biodiesel still, then your not wrong. Good Luck and keep us posted
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