Toyota Diesel.

[fordpwrstroke7]

Originally Posted by 6point0damn2004

how do the factory numbers dictate potential. My 6.0 if you went by the factory numbers, according to your logic, has no potential. Same for any other diesel engine for that matter. Doesn't make any sense to say, that because its supposed to have this much power, it has no potential

the saying goes there is no replacement for displacement. Those numbers could all just come down to tuning. Any engine has potential. You just have to know how to wake it up. If it came in to market, i'm sure eventually it would be competitive in the aftermarket side too. Hino is toyota, and Toyota has been making diesel engines for a pretty long time. I'm sure they know what they're doing

I'll go ahead and dumb this down for you, since it's obvious you need help. Even with their larger displacement, they are starting out at a disadvantage. The motor is roughly 1.5l bigger than The Big 3 and it has almost 20% less hp and 10% less torque than the "weakest" truck of The Big 3. There's no question that the truck will be able to be tuned like other diesels but mod-for-mod, they will likely still be behind Ford, Dodge and GM in power...so, if to you, being fourth place out of essentially four places equals potential, you should get in line for your new truck.

All of this discussion is obviously ignoring the weight of the vehicles, transmissions, efficiency etc etc.

From a tuning standpoint, there's only so much that a tune can do before you start to break things unless you have supporting mods. The phrase about "no replacement for displacement" is idiotic in this case. Gee, why is it so difficult to make power with a 7.3 compared to a 6.0 or a 6.4 since there is so much more displacement in the 7.3 (rhetorical question)?

No doubt, if the motor goes into production, they will refine it and people will mod it...only time will tell. Factory numbers don't necessarily dictate potential but if you look at what has been done with Powerstroke, Cummins and Duramax with regards to tuning, the stock numbers are a good indicator of what can be done with the tuning...

There's a can of worms for y"all to play with tonight.

[6point0damn2004]

Originally Posted by fordpwrstroke7

From a tuning standpoint, there's only so much that a tune can do before you start to break things unless you have supporting mods. The phrase about "no replacement for displacement" is idiotic in this case. Gee, why is it so difficult to make power with a 7.3 compared to a 6.0 or a 6.4 since there is so much more displacement in the 7.3 (rhetorical question)?

No doubt, if the motor goes into production, they will refine it and people will mod it...only time will tell. Factory numbers don't necessarily dictate potential but if you look at what has been done with Powerstroke, Cummins and Duramax with regards to tuning, the stock numbers are a good indicator of what can be done with the tuning...

There's a can of worms for y"all to play with tonight.

also though, your point isn't very valid. The 7.3 is old technology when compared to the 6.0 and 6.4. Think of it this way. If the 6.4 was the same engine it is but it was 7.3L it would probably be that much more of a beast. The 7.3L as it is, is limited by it's older technology. See what I'm sayin'?
Same with the toyota it is 8.0L and it has common rail injection and it has a VGT. When you look at ford, increases in technology clearly dictate power levels. so, if you Take 8.0L of engine and give it modern technologies, the potential IS there to have some mighty numbers.

This second statement more or less goes WITH what I'm saying. I NEVER stated that this Hino engine was superior to the big 3, I simply stated that it has potential and if you look at 300hp and 500lb/ft from a big diesel engine using modern technology, it is relatively close to the other comparative engines in stock levels, although not quite as high. therefore looking at what has been done to the other engines in this trucks market as far as aftermarket stuff goes, one could say that the Hino could benefit from the same things as the other diesels. THEREFORE YES! it has potential, thanks for agreeing

to me it just sounds like you have something against Toyota there is probably a stick hiding somewhere in your body, you should pull it out

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Last edited by 6point0damn2004 : 04-09-2009 at 02:53 PM.

[fordpwrstroke7]

Originally Posted by 6point0damn2004

also though, your point isn't very valid. The 7.3 is old technology when compared to the 6.0 and 6.4. Think of it this way. If the 6.4 was the same engine it is but it was 7.3L it would probably be that much more of a beast. The 7.3L as it is, is limited by it's older technology. See what I'm sayin'?
Same with the toyota it is 8.0L and it has common rail injection and it has a VGT. When you look at ford, increases in technology clearly dictate power levels. so, if you Take 8.0L of engine and give it modern technologies, the potential IS there to have some mighty numbers.

This second statement more or less goes WITH what I'm saying. I NEVER stated that this Hino engine was superior to the big 3, I simply stated that it has potential and if you look at 300hp and 500lb/ft from a big diesel engine using modern technology, it is relatively close to the other comparative engines in stock levels, although not quite as high. therefore looking at what has been done to the other engines in this trucks market as far as aftermarket stuff goes, one could say that the Hino could benefit from the same things as the other diesels. THEREFORE YES! it has potential, thanks for agreeing

to me it just sounds like you have something against Toyota there is probably a stick hiding somewhere in your body, you should pull it out

It wasn't agreeing with you. Turn off your vibrator and think before you respond. Sure, if you change one of the major systems on the Yota (fuel delivery, as you state) there's potential for an improvement. Hey, my 6.0 could be really fast if I put a rocket on there...or maybe even just twins. Maybe we should just ask you to give us some info on how to not compare things equally. Under your logic, a Kia motor would be a good platform...all we would have to do is change the block, bore it, new sticks, 4 turbos and a few other things.

[6point0damn2004]

Originally Posted by fordpwrstroke7

It wasn't agreeing with you. Turn off your vibrator and think before you respond. Sure, if you change one of the major systems on the Yota (fuel delivery, as you state) there's potential for an improvement. Hey, my 6.0 could be really fast if I put a rocket on there...or maybe even just twins. Maybe we should just ask you to give us some info on how to not compare things equally. Under your logic, a Kia motor would be a good platform...all we would have to do is change the block, bore it, new sticks, 4 turbos and a few other things.

first off you can't even rubutle the thing about the 7.3 probably cause if made sense

secondly, now you're really making no sense sir, the Hino motor comes equipped from the factory with common rail injection and a VGT. I don't know where you're getting YOUR info, but, I didn't add anything to the engine. i'm stating that, the engine IS 8.0L AND it has common rail injection AND it has a VGT. To me, that seems like a solid platform to start from. THIS IS PURELY MY OPINION IN STATING that by what I've seen with other engines that use common rail injection and the 8.0L size of the engine itself I THINK that the engine has potential.



I SIMPLY STATED MY OPINION ON THE TOYOTA ENGINE AND ALL YOU"RE DOING IS COMPLETELY MIXING UP MY WORDS

if you had read anything AT ALL about the 'Yota, you would have known the truck is equipped with what I mentioned. I think this is the part where you insert your foot in your mouth.... but I'm pretty sure there is going to be another well thought out and intelligent argument uttered back from your side... so I wait...































and I think others may agree......

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[Mike Hickman]

I want the 09 Tundra with a diesel that truck looks good to me ..

[6point0damn2004]

Originally Posted by Mike Hickman

I want the 09 Tundra with a diesel that truck looks good to me ..

i like aspects of that truck as well

[Hivolts]

[RRonning1984]

This is the only Toyota Diesel that was ever worth owning. The mid '80's had an inline 4 turbo diesel mill that is now very rare. I had one but not knowing how hard they were to find and how much they were worth I sold it because I was to lazy to replace the clutch.

By the way this is just a pic I found online it is not mine although mine looked much like this only it was red and had 33's!

[bockhold]

ok since this is tylers thread. here it goes....

[bockhold]

Originally Posted by powerstroke586

i agree with goose350 i think its the perfect truck for brokeback mountain 2