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Old 04-17-2014, 03:25 PM
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Start but died

Currently my truck is in Michigan and my dad suppose to drive it out here to Wyoming in two weeks. But the other day my dad started the truck to let it warm up and it died 3-5 minutes later and could never get it to start again. I had him change fuel filter and he said it looked terrible but still nothing. So next I had him check to make sure the hpop had oil in it which it did before and after cranking. So after that I had him unplug the icp sensor because someone told me that might work but still nothing. Just wondering what else I could check

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Old 04-17-2014, 03:46 PM
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My usual No Start -


WTS Light? - do you get it when you first roll-on the key? (shows the computer is running)

Do you see cranking rpm on the Tach? Do you have a spare CPS to try? (here you should have posted the yr of your truck it May/May Not show cranking rpm)

Is there fuel in the fuel bowl now? Does it refill after cranking? (open the drain level to check)

Can you hear/feel the pump running (below the dr seat, against the framerail)

Could the fuel gauge be giving a bad reading? (Below 1/4 tank?)

Is it cranking fast enough? - it won't even TRY to start if cranking too slowly.

Is your truck "chipped"? If so, remove it as a Test.
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Old 04-17-2014, 04:01 PM
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It's a 2000 6 speed so it does have a tach
But not sure what the WTS light is. he said everything on the dash cycles and turns off.
Batteries are brand new interstate batteries
Fuel bowl is full
Can hear fuel pump running.
He tried to start it with me on the phone and it does try to start just doesn't completely catch
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Old 04-17-2014, 04:10 PM
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Sorry,,, WTS = Wait To Start

It's thought of (but Not really) the Glow Plug Light and it should come on for like 15 seconds to show the computer is running

Is the Tach needle rising slightly on the starter? (shows the PCM "sees" it's turning over and that the CPS (CrankPositionSensor) is working - a common failure.

New batteries does not mean it's cranking "fast enough". The computer needs to see a minimum of 100rpm to trigger the injection system and start. Also needs to see a high enough voltage too, in a 2000 something over 10v.

If it's "sputtering that's a good sign though. Make sure the fuel bowl refills by draining and turning the key on to know you have fuel delivery. Lack of it would act exactly as you describe. Hearing the fuel pump running is NOT the same as confirming you have fuel delivery. Look above the pass ft tire, you'll see a 3/8" metal tube, against the motor that ends there, it's the drain for the bowl (yellow lever you slide to the side). Get a cup, open the lever, drain the fuel bowl, look at the fuel, close the lever. Then, turn the key to the ON position (should hear the pump) for 15 secs. Drain the fuel bowl again, whaddya got?

Gotta go, Good Luck
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Old 04-17-2014, 04:42 PM
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Sorry,,, WTS = Wait To Start

It's thought of (but Not really) the Glow Plug Light and it should come on for like 15 seconds to show the computer is running

Is the Tach needle rising slightly on the starter? (shows the PCM "sees" it's turning over and that the CPS (CrankPositionSensor) is working - a common

Gotta go, Good Luck


Ya the light comes on my dad said and when he cracks it the tach needle does rise so that's good he drained it a few times he said didn't look like a clean diesel color



So I guess I should have told ya. I parked it at my dad's house while I moved to Wyoming, so it sat since December with the new batteries out of the truck. And I had him put a anti gel fuel stabilizer in the fuel for the winter, hopefully the rite mixture like I told him. Well last week he put batteries on a charge for a while and put them back in truck, he said it started rite up and even drove it around for a couple of days than it started to give him this problem yesterday. So maybe the fuel is bad, never really heard of diesel going bad though so I don't know

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Old 04-18-2014, 05:37 AM
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Algae can actually grow in diesel, especially as it "sits" after getting a contaminated load.

If the filter looks black & slimy again, after just a couple of days running, that might well be the reason. Maybe try another filter and closely inspect the fuel you get from the drain. Shouldn't be Black at ALL.

Do this before & after you start the engine. If the fuel doesn't turn black until After it's run a bit you might be seeing Engine Oil in the fuel (leaked there from the Injector O-Rings failing)
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Do this before & after you start the engine. If the fuel doesn't turn black until After it's run a bit you might be seeing Engine Oil in the fuel (leaked there from the Injector O-Rings failing)
Well my dad got it turn on by chance I guess. But I'm still iffy on it. He's gonna start it and drive it around town for awhile tomorrow. If it were leaking by the o-rings, would the engine run rough or have loss of power?
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:23 AM
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Not really, what would be obvious is the loss of engine oil....
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