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If I can't get this fixed im buying another chevy.

now that I have your attention

After reading these forms for months, I decided it finally time to join and hope that somebody can please help me figure out whats wrong.

Truck: 1999 F350 7.3 power stroke, with the ZF6 and I think it's an April build date.

Problems: hard if not impossible start, smoking so bad it burns your eyes, and intermittent stalls from which it's won't always restart

New parts: Long block in 2004 by previous owner, 8 new injectors & glow plugs buy us ( ran AWESOME for about 3 weeks ) New turbo and pedestal, new ignition module( stopped the ignition for always being on), new cam position sensor, new glow plug relay and new valve cover gaskets.

What we know: cylinders 5 & 6 fail that balance/contribution test and it's not the injectors.

I know the ICP data is erratic, when it's unplugged we get the default value of 700psi but it still runs like crap.

EPB value seems suspect but I have no idea what a valid range of values are.

None of the IDM harness feeds appear to be grounded, and all of the switched grounds read open. the pin 26 ground had very high resistance, which we corrected and it still won't start.

After sitting all winter the truck refuses to start, we gave it some either and it popped but won't start, it sounds like it wants to start but it just won't catch.

Please help me figure this thing out. We are to far in to it to give up but we don't want to put in an HPOP or IDM to still have a crappy running truck .
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best thing i can think of, is invest in an AE...

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99.5 x-cab 7.3l, 6spd, 161k miles.....
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best thing i can think of, is invest in an AE...

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Im using a snap on scan tool. I am not sure why I would want another scan tool

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Without any solid ideas, what's the oil look like/ last time it had an oil change?

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Maybe bad fuel?

97 F350 7.3 super cab full bed dually
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Dyno test 221.5hp @ 187,000 mi. Before mods.

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Is it smoking whle it's running or cranking? Bad up pipe leaks can do that.

97 F350 7.3 super cab full bed dually
Autometer Sport Comp II boost and egt
TS 6pos tuner
Clutch clevis mod
Tymar intake
Stancor/White & Rogers GPR
Dyno test 221.5hp @ 187,000 mi. Before mods.

Other mods soon :
diamond back dp and 4in exh
ebp del ped
ccv mod
ww2.
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Oil is good,
After sitting all winter fuel may be questionable, but it had these problems when the fuel was fresh
It smokes so bad it leaves oily residue you can taste when or if you can get it running
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What color smoke?

Are you reading RPM's? Just because CPS is new, doesn't mean it's good.

How are the IPR numbers looking?

Have you verified oil level in HPOP before trying to start?

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What color smoke?
Blackish, all 5 of us there agreed it's excess fuel

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Are you reading RPM's? Just because CPS is new, doesn't mean it's good.
we were reading RPMs last fall, I think we also tried with the old CPS back in. when it was last running, i cound read the RPMS in the data stream I haven't tried while cranking

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How are the IPR numbers looking?
Last time it was running they looked OK not that I have a lot to compare them to. What are the expected range of values while cranking and running

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Have you verified oil level in HPOP before trying to start?
We have not, it's on tomorrows to do list. Sad part is after the injectors the truck was running perfectly until something else let go.
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Blackish, all 5 of us there agreed it's excess fuel
Assuming the injectors are all good since you've replaced them, it's possible turbo related. Not enough air for complete burn. Are you running any tunes by chance?

As part of your early checks tomorrow, remove the air filter and intake tube and check the turbo wheel. Make sure it spins freely and all that.

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we were reading RPMs last fall, I think we also tried with the old CPS back in. when it was last running, i cound read the RPMS in the data stream I haven't tried while cranking
Since it won't start, see if you can read RPM's while cranking. If not, I would suspect CPS issue again. Get OEM unit.

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Last time it was running they looked OK not that I have a lot to compare them to. What are the expected range of values while cranking and running
I don't know while cranking, but my IPR runs at ~10% at idle.

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