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Old 11-19-2010, 08:55 AM
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Only Starts With Starter Fluid... HELP!

First things first, the batteries, alternator and starter are new, charge perfectly, hold charge, and sound perfect. The weather here doesn't get below 40. When this no start issue began, I replaced the fuel filter and fuel pump, since the pump was the original and I have a 132K miles, I figured it was about time. It started fine for a few days afterward and I figured I was done. At this point, I can still hear the fuel pump engaging and pumping perfectly when I turn the key, but now it won't start again unless I spray ether into the intake.

I am beginning to think there must either be a sensor or vacuum issue. My electric vacuum pump seems to run for a while even after recent shut down each time I turn the key. I it does eventually though stop running, so I believe the vacuum system is charging even if my pump may be weak.

Are there any sensors or anything else I should be focusing on that would prevent the rig from starting?
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:03 AM
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STOP using starting fluid till you get the problem figured out. The motor can get addicted to it and will be done. JFYI
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:19 AM
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Turned out to be worn out rings where the injectors seat into the block.
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never spray ether if the GP system is hooked up. just FYI
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Ok Ether in small amounts is ok even with the glowplugs. I will explain why.

First off do not spray it directly into the intake. I use a rag sprayed with ether. Then with a friend holding the rag over the intake I turn the key and crank the engine. If you do not have a friend then spray the air filter.

You have to think about this, the ether air mixture will go through the turbo, into the intercooler, before it even gets to the cylinders.

Now if you have a glow plug in the intake like on the Cummins and Semi's then yes you should not use the ether if the glow plug is turned on.
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:48 AM
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Ok Ether in small amounts is ok even with the glowplugs. I will explain why.

First off do not spray it directly into the intake. I use a rag sprayed with ether. Then with a friend holding the rag over the intake I turn the key and crank the engine. If you do not have a friend then spray the air filter.

You have to think about this, the ether air mixture will go through the turbo, into the intercooler, before it even gets to the cylinders.

Now if you have a glow plug in the intake like on the Cummins and Semi's then yes you should not use the ether if the glow plug is turned on.
It's really NEVER a good idea to use either, in ANY way, in a glow-plug engine......

Especially when there are so many safe alternatives. Propane is commonly used as the propellant in aerosol products like WD40 & brake clean and will act as a good, safe, substitute for fuel.

Either is for spraying in tires , lawnmowers, old loaders, and tractors NOT for modern engines! The problem is detonation. Because of it's low flashpoint and volatility either can not just burn, but detonate!

You're playing Russian Roulette with Either and you really don't have to. The odds are certainly in your favor, and guys use it all the time - but with no good reason, why?????
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:06 AM
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Ok now that we got either covered, did you just replace the o-rings on the injectors or did you do the cups to. I can say for what they cost its cheap insurance to go ahead replace the cups while you in there
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:49 AM
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Our motors do have a heating element in thd intake. Its in the spider, jfyi.
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Old 11-30-2010, 04:34 AM
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That heating element is useless, it never turns on maybe only once or twice every 100,000 miles. Most people take it out it is a huge restriction.
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Our motors do have a heating element in thd intake. Its in the spider, jfyi.
"To reduce white smoke during long idle periods at low ambient temperatures, the PCM will activate the intake air heater. Specific conditions must be present before the heater is activated: "

*ambient temperature must be below 0 deg C (32 deg F)
*engine oil temperature must be below 55 deg C (131 deg F)
*vehicle power must be between 11.8 and 15 volts
*parking brake must be applied on manual transmission vehicles
*the transmission must be on park or neutral on automatic transmission vehicles
*glow plugs must be off

Ether can pre detonate due to the high compression AND the GPs being on. Just think, gas engines intake a fuel/air mix. So spraying ether is just supplementing the normal fuel/air intake mix. Diesels don't do it that way. They intake only air. Then compress it at a much higher ratio than gas engines. Then inject diesel which detonates solely from the very high compression in the cylinder. If it's cold, sometimes it needs help from GPs, but they are not required to run it. Just high PSI in the chamber.
So if your GPs are not on and you let the engine intake a ether/air mix, it can still pre-detonate due to the compression. If the GPs are on, then it most likely will because of pressure AND the heat the GPs are putting off. I'm sure that whole "addiction" thing came from old IDIs but it's not true. Yes it may seem like it, but the truck does not have a conscious. Therefore it can not be addicted. Can it effh your truck up though? Yes.
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