What do YOU think about injector ballancing???

[szyd]

Thats what I am saying you have got to take a bunch and flow test them and take the 8 that is the same or close to and sell them as ballenced set. As for what to test 4 i dont know to get them to run consistant in every situation. Ther are a lot of varibles to consider. so testing and saying you have balenced in jectors is janeric.

I would like to see a engine dyno test of a motor running say consistant 600HP then swap for balenced injectors. If you can show a significant increase I will be a beliver. but all and all balenced injectors will only come into play if you are pulling or racing big time wher even a fraction of HP may count

[caryt]

Originally Posted by gtspowerstroke

The place I typically deal with measures the flow of each and does them one at a time so they are very closely balanced. Other places may do it differently and do a full set at once so you have no control over individual nozzles and again run into a missmatched set.

And what place is this...I thought you were doing the all the work on the injector's that you sell at the place you work at after hours?

[CSIPSD]

Originally Posted by caryt

GTS whats your take on this since I heard you work at a shop and sell inj.on the side?

Thank you for this helpful and on topic post

Originally Posted by kerickson73

GTS, didn't you get ran off from NWdiesels.com?

Ya, but if Daryl doesnt like ya and you dont fit in there little click... its not hard to get run off there...

Originally Posted by JimTJr

And The Diesel Garage, And PSN, lol,,,,,

Geoff is still a regular poster and contribuiter on TDG... and this has what to do with this thread? Dont you have a oil thread somewhere to muck up with your "never run one but I think its better" BS???

Originally Posted by BlueMule

Someone musta used the GTS login, this is not the Geoff I know

Funny, coming from someone with one post who has never met or talked to him...

Originally Posted by gtspowerstroke

Actually it is. It's amazing how things go when you and the rest of the posse aren't constantly starting things. It's always funny how you and the others always seem to show up in threads like this with your 1st post and the thread just continues down hill from there. If you want to contribute please do so. If you are just coming here to start problems kindly do it somewhere else.

Funny how all ya want to do is discuss something and yet someone has to try and trash it...

Originally Posted by caryt

And what place is this...I thought you were doing the all the work on the injector's that you sell at the place you work at after hours?

So WHAT? Is he selling them here (if he is even selling them...) Did he go thru my hybrids and make them work right? Damn right! Would I send another set his way, damn right...

Would I do DIY injectors? Hell no, but do I bash on Jim... Nope!

[Dirk]

Originally Posted by CSIPSD

Ya, but if Daryl doesnt like ya and you dont fit in there little click... its not hard to get run off there...


Would I do DIY injectors? Hell no, but do I bash on Jim... Nope!

That's not the first time I've heard that, but I've never been on that site.

Jim is a good guy. I have a Stage 3 set from him and a few other sets from other builders. Jim was cheaper, and they run just as hard as the others.

[gtspowerstroke]

Originally Posted by caryt

And what place is this...I thought you were doing the all the work on the injector's that you sell at the place you work at after hours?

And as usual your sources of information are incorrect on pretty much all counts.

Originally Posted by szyd

Thats what I am saying you have got to take a bunch and flow test them and take the 8 that is the same or close to and sell them as ballenced set. As for what to test 4 i dont know to get them to run consistant in every situation. Ther are a lot of varibles to consider. so testing and saying you have balenced in jectors is janeric.

I would like to see a engine dyno test of a motor running say consistant 600HP then swap for balenced injectors. If you can show a significant increase I will be a beliver. but all and all balenced injectors will only come into play if you are pulling or racing big time wher even a fraction of HP may count

Thanks for your input. I can definitely see where you are comming from and why you would have the opinions that you do. Not sure I totally agree but do on some points.

I would like to see the difference on an actual engine dyno as well. That would be intersting information.

[Dirk]

Bump.


This thread needs more opinions.

[Justinlw]

Originally Posted by gtspowerstroke

I would like to see the difference on an actual engine dyno as well. That would be intersting information.

Now would the difference be in measureable power, or in engine longevity and smoothness? I understand the theorys here, but I believe that the smoothness would be improved above all else. A dyno could be inconsistent with the same injectors over a few runs, it would have to be a significant change to prove the balancing actually was responsible.

Also to add to this, are combustion pressures equal across all 8 cylinders? How often do you get the exact same compression, and amount of blowby during combustion?

[gtspowerstroke]

Originally Posted by Justinlw

Now would the difference be in measureable power, or in engine longevity and smoothness? I understand the theorys here, but I believe that the smoothness would be improved above all else. A dyno could be inconsistent with the same injectors over a few runs, it would have to be a significant change to prove the balancing actually was responsible.

Also to add to this, are combustion pressures equal across all 8 cylinders? How often do you get the exact same compression, and amount of blowby during combustion?

Now those are some very good questions! I think the biggest difference you are going to see is in the smoothness and runability of the engine. Those are things an engine dyno or even a chassis dyno aren't going to be able to measure very well.

The only person I know of with the ability to test cylender pressures is Jody Tipton. It'd be nice to see his opinion in this thread as he measures cylender pressures and has a ton of tuning experience and could probably give us some more insite on how much the PCM can and will compensate for out of ballance contribution.

[szyd]

A smoother engine would make more HP due to ease of operation you dont have one hurting or helpin another. Thats in a perfect world or in a world where every ounce counts like nitro dragsters.

[DAYTONA392005]

Fuel pressure and combustion chamber temp would also come into the equation.


If all things in an engine are balanced, then more horsepower will come from that engine.

Balancing however does not make more horsepower, just will free it up.